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Company name[edit]

The company name is Fennovoima. It is sometimes (not always) used together with abbreviation referring to the company type. Usually this is oy with is Finnish abbreviation from osakeyhtiö, a Finnish type of a limited company. It may also use Ltd (from English word 'limited') or Ab (from Swedish word of 'Aktiebolag'). However, this is not a name, but only indication of the company type. Also the company website use, as a rule, only Fennovoima - without an indication of the company type. The English reference added to the company name says: "Trade name: Fennovoima Oy, Parallell trade name: Fennovoima Ltd and Fennovoima Ab. Notwithstanding this, user:Apalsola continues to insist that English Wikipedia should use Fennovoima Ltd as official name. This is not correct because the company types' abbreviations usually are not translated. I think that correct should be leave the name without company type abbreviation and describe the type by a different sentence. As an alternative, we should follow directly the given source and use description: "Fennovoima Oy (parallel names: Fennovoima Ltd and Fennovoima Ab)". I myself prefer the first option.

As for the Google search results: there is 1930 pages in English for "Fennovoima Oy" ([2]) and 112 pages for "Fennovoima Ltd" ([3]). Beagel (talk) 19:41, 5 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Naming conventions (companies)#First sentence: "Regardless of the article title, the first sentence of the article should include the full legal name of the company". (And to clarify, I do not insist any changes for the article title. It must, of course, be Fennovoima without Oy, Ab or Ltd.) For Fennovoima, the legal name is Fennovoima Oy (in Finnish), Fennovoima Ab (Swedish), or Fennovoima Ltd (English), as stated in the sources. And since this is the English Wikipedia, the Fennovoima Ltd should be used. So, please do not blame me for notwithstading the policies. ––Apalsola ^{t • c} 20:50, 5 October 2011 (UTC) –– (fixed, no one didn't remove any references) Apalsola ^{t • c} 21:06, 5 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Addition: Under the section 7 of the Trade Name Act (Finnish: Toiminimilaki 128/1979), the trade name of a limited company must include either word "osakeyhtiö" or its abbreviation "oy". So, the abbreviation is part of the legal company name, not "only indication of the company type". Under the section 11 of the same act, a company may have a trade name in multiple languages, and the same rules do apply also to these names. ––Apalsola ^{t • c} 20:59, 5 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Government admission[edit]

User:Beagel [4] This is relevant since:

Parliament gave its admission to Fennovoima based on E.ON knowledge of the technology. When E.ON has cancelled its participation, the parliament decision is no longer based on the same background.
Peter Lund is professor of physics in the Helsinki University of Technology, taking actively part in the energy discussion in Finland and promoting renewable energy.
Also minister Mauri Pekkarinen center party considers a new permission from the parliament is needed.

There are indications that the decision was based on too high electricity demand estimations. Finland has in place no obligations to renewable energy obligations. I have no understanding how the politicians take responsibility to fulfill the EU demand to increase the share of renewable energy. Watti Renew (talk) 10:58, 24 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, this article is about the company and not specifically about the nuclear plant project. Second, if there will be official decision that a new approval by the Parliament is needed, lets add this. Otherwise, this is just speculations and opinions and should not be added per WP:SOAP and WP:CRYSTAL. Third, the question if the new permission is needed or not is a legal issue and therefore being a professor of physics is not enough to qualify as an expert on this issue. Even more, being promoter of renewable energy sounds as he may have a conflict of interest concerning nuclear energy. Beagel (talk) 15:37, 24 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Competition with wind power[edit]

Please explain. In my opinion the electricity market is not free competition. In order to have fair energy competition between renewable energy and nuclear power, the wind energy consumers and all municipal tax payers should not be in demand to pay the costs of nuclear accidents, nuclear decommissioning and nuclear waste. Since Fennovoima is owned by the largest municipalities in Finland, the energy market is not working in my opinion. What does the European Union demand of the electricity competition? Should not Fennovoima have international full coverage insurance for nuclear accidents, plant decommissioning costs and nuclear waste costs? Watti Renew (talk) 14:56, 29 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Cost of the accident[edit]

Please clarify, has the Croatian state 9 % risk of the nuclear accident cost as Croatian company has ownership. Most of the nuclear power risk costs are given for the tax payers. It is fair that Russian state and Croatian state take responsibility of their own share of the all nuclear accidents, is it not? Has Croatia confirmed their liability Watti Renew (talk) 11:05, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Please clarify: Does the European Union accept the nuclear power competitive advantage to assign the cost of accident and the cost of decommission to tax payers?

Ownership[edit]

Finland demands 60 % EU ownership. What happens if this share will drop later after the approval? How big share of the ownership is from the cities and /or municipals? There are many big cities as owners approved by politicians. Referendums e.g. in Helsinki, Espoo and Vantaa may be arranged. Is it unfair that the wind power users will be accountable for nuclear power investment and accident cost. Watti Renew (talk) 11:18, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

According to Finnish law nuclear waste can not be imported or exported. As 44 % of the plant electricity may be exported, is this not in conflict with the nuclear waste regulation? Watti Renew (talk) 12:02, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Please clarify the share of municipalities. Watti Renew (talk) 13:51, 23 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Application[edit]

Deadline of application was in the end of June 2015. It seems that the stated owner in Croatia is not credible, based on published data. Thus, my conclusion is that no valid application was left within the schedule and therefore the project must be closed. In July 2015 the government will make investigation of the company Migrit Solarna. This investigation has been approved to be in share secret. However, public data links the company to Russia with low financial solidity compared to needed investments and risk insurance. Thus, application was not credible and the deadline was past with no application. Watti Renew (talk) 11:56, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Energy self-sufficiency[edit]

According to Helsingin Sanomat the War in Donbass, 2014 pro-Russian unrest in Ukraine, 2014–15 Russian military intervention in Ukraine and/or International sanctions during the Ukrainian crisis has made European Union to seek Energy self-sufficiency. Watti Renew (talk) 16:20, 21 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

A concern here is that Russia has right to export the share of Rosatom 40 % in Russia. Fingrid is obliged to build the new powerlines. If the powerline is two-way, as common, Russia has twice the 40 % influence in Finnish power market, has it not? Some 10-15 years ago Finnish Parliament gave Russia the right to a new powerline for import of power in Finland. I have the view that the Supreme Court cancelled this right in order to protect Finnish energy markets. As I understand, with the same arguments, the Supreme Court could cancel the present Fennovoima project in total. Is there more data of the past in Wiki? What is the influence to Finnish energy self-sufficiency? Watti Renew (talk) 16:36, 21 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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A paid editor made contributions to this article, and has disclosed that fact on this page, therefore the paid contributions template is a matter of fact and does not require discussion. Beyond My Ken (talk) 13:32, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello Lklundin & Apalsola! You've edited this article earlier, do you see some problems in its content? Jjanhone (talk) 13:59, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Jjanhone: There are some topics that probably should be covered under the Critics section to make the article more neutral: For example, there has been some discussion involving the risks (national security etc.) related to the significant role of the Russian state-owned company Rosatom. In addition, the background of Migrit Energija was somewhat vague. The company did not do any real business, so quite many think that it was just a strawperson created to hide the real Russian owners and to meet the requirement of 60-percent domestic or EU/EEA ownersip level. Although Migrit Energija eventually withdrew from the project, the whole episode raised quite a lot of doubt towards Fennovoima and its capability to build and run a nuclear power plant under the constraints set by the Finnish government. ––Apalsola ^{t • c} 21:13, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Apalsola thanks! Looks like a lot of digging to get propers sources for the issues you've mentioned, so not just a thing I could correct in 15 minutes (or 1 hour). I briefly checked and I think that these things are not included either in the Finnish article. If they were it would have been easy to translate them from there. Jjanhone (talk) 04:36, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]