Talk:Fern Hollow Bridge

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The tweet from 2018[edit]

This is the tweet from 2018 that's mentioned in the article. I don't know the specific rules for copyright, but it would be great if the picture could be included:

https://twitter.com/gpk320/status/1078885655634157569

54mmkds (talk) 19:39, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In the photo that was cropped from the lead/infobox, it is clear by comparison this shows the same pier depicted in Dr. Kochanski's 2018 tweet:

The left-hand support is the one carrying the (plastic?) drain line
The graffiti on the concrete foot appears to be the same
The stone blocks in the background where the bridge meets the top of the ravine appear to be the same

For comparison, here is a photo of the other pier, taken contemporaneously in 2015:

The right-hand support is the one carrying the drain line
The graffiti on the concrete foot of the pier support with the drain line is different than the 2018 tweet

Cheers, Mliu92 (talk) 00:22, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wow! Thank you for responding and posting so much useful information! 54mmkds (talk) 22:24, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox location map[edit]

The location map in the infobox shows the sea, and appears to be centered at latitude and longitude 0.0, 0.0, in the Atlantic Ocean (at Null Island), although the coordinates shown in the infobox are correct. Please fix this. Verbcatcher (talk) 00:23, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed, thank you. Verbcatcher (talk) 16:38, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Bus Driver's POV[edit]

Here's a news article where the bus driver describes the experience; Driver of Port Authority bus caught up in bridge collapse talks about experience
Also of interesting, the vehicle on the foreground of this picture http://htv-prod-media.s3.amazonaws.com/images/bridge-collapse-bus-1643404684.jpg had, according to the bus driver, had driven into the chasm after the bridge had collapsed.
Do what you wish with this info.
-BoringJim (talk) 02:32, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Photo(s) for page[edit]

Since this page is about the bridge overall, and is not a wiki just for the collapse, there should be regular photos of the bridge (including the top / first photo).

I happened to have taken this photo of the bridge in snowy conditions late one night three weeks before the collapse from the trail just to the southwest of the bridge.

I know nothing about wiki policies or norms, but if anyone wants to use it for the page, go for it.

Sam

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Samstein (talk • contribs) 01:05, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Samstein: Thanks for sharing this photo! I have added the image to the infobox. I agree the lead image should be an overview shot of the bridge. This is valuable in showing the near-final configuration of the bridge. Please consider also sharing with the NTSB, as they are actively soliciting recent information and photographs of the bridge: Report a Transportation Accident (reference accident # HWY22MH003) Cheers, Mliu92 (talk) 15:32, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It's a nice thought, Mliue92, but my shot was not from quite close enough (and obviously at night). I tried zooming in and there's really no detail at all available with the structure. At least nothing that would not have been obvious as a glaring danger and reported by folks seeing it in the daytime during the three weeks between. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.79.55.151 (talk) 19:34, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Chapel Road Bridge[edit]

The Chapel Road Bridge appears to be the bridge the IP editor is trying to add to this page. Some basic information here at Bridgehunter. Local news indicates the bridge was shut down for deck replacement, but no reliable source on steel condition. Cheers, Mliu92 (talk) 07:42, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know that we need to mention a sister bridge at all, but the claim that it is a sister bridge was unsourced, as is the commentary about the steelwork. The first attempt [1] was so poorly written as to gibberish, and the second attempt [2] was only marginally better (and still completely unsourced). Meters (talk) 07:58, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If there are sources that identify this bridge as a sister structure and that there are concerns about it, or actions that have been taken, because of the incident in this article it would be fine to mention it (with sources), but the structural engineering commentary is incomprehensibly mangled. Meters (talk) 08:04, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I am flabbergasted to discover that the IP is coming from a California Department of Transportation ISP. Meters (talk) 08:08, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

For now I'm just putting a pointer to info on the Chapel Road Bridge here and not in any way advocating for its inclusion, given the lack of sourcing. Bridgehunter asserts that it was also designed by Richardson, Gordon & Assoc and was completed in 1972; Google Maps/Streetview images of the bridge indicates that it's also a batter-post rigid-frame bridge. But the original text was so mangled (and didn't even identify the bridge, beyond its location!) that it could not be salvaged, I agree. The Caltrans IP is a weird twist in the thread. Cheers, Mliu92 (talk) 15:18, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Some additional links, just for information; the Bridge Reports link discusses structural sufficiency, but none describe steel condition:

"WVDOH Chapel Road Bridge". GAI Consultants.
McCloskey, Scott (March 24, 2019). "Bethlehem's Chapel Road Bridge Deck Replacement Will Lead to I-470 Closures". Wheeling News-Register.
McCloskey, Scott (October 4, 2019). "Chapel Road Bridge Project". Wheeling News-Register.
"County Route 6 over County Route 6, Ohio County, West Virginia". BridgeReports – via National Bridge Inventory.
Stuve, Eric (December 31, 2018). "DSC05144 [Interstate 470 West at Exit 2 - Bethlehem]". flickr.

For location purposes: the bridge carries Chapel Road (County Route 6) over Interstate 470 in Bethlehem, Ohio County, West Virginia, approximately 45 mi (72 km) WSW of Pittsburgh. Bridge rehabilitation for Chapel Road started in summer 2019; the bridge deck was replaced, along with the sidewalks and fencing. The foundation, substructure, and superstructure were "reinforced". Cheers, Mliu92 (talk) 15:42, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]