Talk:Fernald Feed Materials Production Center

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It sounds like you were there. I'd like to help, but I can see this page being split into three or four pages; a history page, your 'chemometallurgical process' page, a page linking to the feed process destinations, and one for environmental decontamination. Rick.mend 02:22, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How about a page for Criminal Misconduct? A lot of that type of activity transpired at the Fernald Closure Project, including: destroying records, altering data, and falsifying environmental reports; certifying compliance reports to be true when they weren't; and willfully giving false testimony and committing perjury in federal court. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fernald Uncovered (talk • contribs) 19:25, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wikify this artricle[edit]

The article needs to be "Wikified." The references need to be made into Wikipedia-style references. --KJRehberg (talk) 17:58, 15 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Working on it[edit]

Could use some help. Are the FMPC and NLCO documents available online somewhere? Watchpup (talk) 15:59, 9 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Non-POV and bad tone for an encyclopedia[edit]

This article needs the opinions removed. --KJRehberg (talk) 18:04, 15 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It appears this concern has been addressed. I'm going to remove the NPOV tag. Karmos (talk) 02:21, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV? Really?[edit]

I don't believe the NPOV claim is accurate, since it cites a research program that is not controlled by the DOE or plant administrators.

The bulk of the article is a detailed discussion of plant operations, and sources are cited (though not readily available online)

Watchpup (talk) 20:31, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

locals thought that it was a facility for making dog food?[edit]

according to this webpage:

http://biology.clc.uc.edu/Fankhauser/Society/nuclear/fernald/fernald.html 69.76.132.166 (talk) 03:34, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not ALL the locals[edit]

The site was "hidden in plain sight", with a clever disguise and name.

But some of the locals (the ones paying attention) definitely knew what was going on. I attended C.A.R.E (citizens against a radioactive environment) meetings in 1979 at the local university. There were articles in the newspaper about Fernald releases of uranium to the environment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Watchpup (talk • contribs) 12:08, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Merge proposal[edit]

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There was a proposal to merge Fernald Closure Project into Fernald Preserve. It seems more accurate to merge this article here as the closure is derectly related with the center.Beagel (talk) 05:38, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think that both topics are important/notable enough that they deserve separate articles. The closure project has ongoing health assessment components, and will be getting new content over time.

The feed materials production center article will probably remain fairly static once it's converted to wiki format. Watchpup (talk) 20:12, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Merge. The closure project is a natural progression of the center's history, so it belongs here. Besides, the closure article is so short and, contrary to User:Watchpup, its revision history shows that hardly any new content is added over time. -- P 1 9 9 • TALK 17:01, 22 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Merge done. -- P 1 9 9 • TALK 21:03, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge?[edit]

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I agree that Fernald Preserve should be merged into this article (or vice versa), so why does it appear that they were not merged? Did someone rebuild the Fernald Preserve page after the fact? --TomStike (talk) 05:18, 30 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

There was a lot of criminal activity that transpired at the Fernald Closure Project, including: destroying records, altering data, and falsifying environmental reports; certifying compliance reports to be true when they weren't; and willfully giving false testimony and committing perjury in federal court, that has nothing to do with the Preserve. Merging the two might give the false impression that the Preserve was somehow connected to the wrongdoing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fernald Uncovered (talk • contribs) 18:12, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Having just attended a graduate course outing for a hazardous waste management course at Fernald Preserve, it only makes sense to merge Fernald Feed Materials Production Center with the Fernald Preserve page in order to accurately portray the morphology of the site. The site had half a dozen or so names as the cleanup progressed, and it truly is a topic of site evolution, not of the names. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.137.187.69 (talk) 15:15, 2 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. I think the article should be merged as it can be fit cleanly into the history of the Production Center as its own section. It would benefit this article, and I see no reason why the preserve should have an article of its own given that it is the next stage in the Production Center's history. Karmos (talk) 23:07, 11 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Merged. Karmos (talk) 23:19, 11 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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30year cover up[edit]

For 27 years, from birth until I moved away, I lived in the vicinity of Fernald. I was aware that Fernald was involved with some kind of nuclear project, although the company had the appearance of Purina because of the red and white checker pattern on the water towers. Their sign was listed as National Lead Corporation, Material Feeds Plant. Because of the checker pattern that resembled Purina's logo and the sign referencing "Feeds" it was easy to over-look what was going on in this rural farming community. Around 1991 or 1992, I came upon an article in US NEWS and WORLD REPORT, referencing Fernald, the 30 year cover up and a contaminated community. Being a Registered Nurse, I immediately became concerned because of my occasional close proximity to this plant. I provided the article to the Radiation Safety Officer at the hospital where I worked. He told me that my concern was valid and provided me with the name and phone number of a physician at Cincinnati's University Medical Center. I contacted that physician and was informed that the airborne contamination from the plant was carried north east. I lived to the north east of this plant for for 26 of those years and 1 year to the south east of the plant. In my last year in the area, we rented a log cabin that was located directly across the road from this plant. This cabin, on 40 acres of wooded farmland, was our weekend retreat. We had no idea of how we were being contaminated. The cover up was real and so is the contamination. — Preceding unsigned comment added by M.Hackney,RN (talk • contribs) 09:43, 15 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Additional Cites for Plant 2/3 "Who?" and "Dubious" Objections[edit]

The following are excerpted from transcripts originally published by the Fernald Living History Project (FLHP). The FLHP has since morphed into the Fernald Community Alliance, which lists the transcripts on their website; regrettably, they all "404" at this time.

While they have no copyright notice, they are all prepended with the following:

NOTICE This transcript contains a Living History Interview conducted and prepared as part of the Fernald Living History Project. The narrations, descriptions, perceptions, opinions and beliefs expressed in this interview are solely those of the interviewee(s) and are not to be attributed directly or indirectly, to the United States Government, to the U.S. Department of Energy, to Fluor Daniel, Inc., to any Fluor Daniel Fernald teaming partner company, to any of their officers or employees, to the Fernald Living History Project or to anyone associated with the Fernald Living History Project.

The following excerpts address the "bee-sting" and "shoe corrosion" issues.

[BEGIN EXCERPTS]

FERNALD LIVING HISTORY PROJECT Transcript Name: Paul Davies Date Interviewed: 5/27/99 Date Transcribed: 7/6/99 Tape: #23 Project Number 20012 Tape FLHP0045

...

Q: You mentioned to me early about uh, going out to the parking lot. A: Oh, you mean like coming in on third shift? Yeah, if it was a you know, a lot of moisture in the air and if they were running like the NAR tower, the nitric acid mist would you know, you would feel a sting in your arm and stuff when you'd walk in there and you'd always know when they, when they had that going because it felt just like bee stings on ya. The mist would come it, you know if the air was real heavy where it would settle down, you could feel that sting sensation.

FER\FLHP\TRANS\FLHP-23.WPD\March 4, 2005 9:36 /P

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FERNALD LIVING HISTORY PROJECT Transcript Name: Charles Porter Date Interviewed: 6/22/99 Date Transcribed: 9/07/99 Tape: 40 Project Number 20012 Tape FLHP0084


16:05:09 Q: Oh, I see. Well. And um, in the mid-80s, there was quite a lot of talk about Fernald and when they shut the plant down. Tell me your impressions a little bit of hearing about when they shut the plant down. A: In what way? 16:05:26 Q:Um, I guess mainly uh, I guess like in the mid-80s when there was a dust collector problem and those kinds of things, there was a lot of media attention on Fernald, what was your reaction to that? A: A lot of it, they were talking, to make conversation. Uh, it was sensational, so they made the most of it. That’s the news media. I don’t have much use for the news media. And uh, because they don’t write the news, they make the news. But anyway, I saw a lot of the problems coming on. You take a leakage that had existed for a while, and uh, this oughta be taken care of. 16:06:12 A: Oh, forget it for the time being. And a month later you bring it up again, oh, forget it. And uh, though I resented that, I sortta, I understood it, that everything couldn’t be done right at once. And uh, it used to be in the Refinery, after the towers went bad, and they operated on just half capacity, uh, on a windy, usually in the evening or at night, the nitric acid fumes, oh, they’d choke ya, 16:06:57 A: And they’d just let ‘em blow. Instead o’ going through those towers and being be condensed, and reclaimed. Uh, and until some o’ the farmers around there called, what’re you doing over there? Something is wrong. My face is stinging. Then they would cut down on the capacity, so that they wouldn’t have all that overflow. 16:07:20 A: Now I saw that for years. I would say the last 10 years at least that I worked there, that was a common thing.

FER\FLHP\TRANS\FLHP-40.DOC\March 4, 2005 9:53 /P 23


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FERNALD LIVING HISTORY PROJECT Transcript Name: Jerry Green Date Interviewed: 8/17/99 Date Transcribed: 11/17/99 Tape: #70 Project Number 20012 Tape FLHP0161


22:07:38 Q: What were some of the hazards associated with working in extraction? What were some of the things you saw that you felt were dangerous? A: Well, when I first started there, they were really cautious about ah, and ah, you couldn't even have ah, regular tools. You had to have a beryllium, I think is a brass type, so wouldn't be no sparks at all. Well I think that lasted about, well they were so heavy and bulky and everything and ah, they discontinued using 'era. FER\FLHP\TRANS\FLHP-70.DOC\March 4, 2005 10:35AM 13 FERNALD LIVING HISTORY PROJECT Transcript 22:08:10 A: I don't think remember every getting any authority to do that, but the maintenance man working in other plants and everything, they'd just bring their tools and do the job. But ah, and ah, the hazard was mostly, I think ah, walking in the material. We had acids and caustics and uranium solution on the floor and there's been times when I know my shoes didn't lasted only about 4 days. A: They just eat 'em up. Well we had 4 days off ah, we worked a days off schedule which was 4 days off, and then 1 day off. And when I got on that 4 day off and I'd leave my shoes in the locker, well when I'd come back they'd done be caustic or something got on 'em. They weren't good shoes there later on, they kind of cardboard in fact I thought [(laughing).

[END EXCERPTS]

Note that not all interviewees expressed negativity, some reflected complete satisfaction and confidence in the overall safety and "industrial hygiene" at the plant. As well the interviewees came from a wide cross-section of society and education ranging from Ph. D. researchers to HS dropout laborers, area residents, politicians and community activists.

I believe I'll see if I can find a home for the transcripts I have at archive.org so others can read them, too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.23.84.242 (talk) 02:19, 20 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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