Talk:Fire Emblem: The Binding Blade

Referencing the English fanmade title

The title is fine in accordance with Wikipedia naming conventions, but the fan title really should be referenced somewhere so as not to confuse readers who aren't familiar with Fire Emblem. If Sword of Seals is [far and away] the more popular name, it needs a reference somewhere on the page. SJCrew (talk) 03:36, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Connection to fire emblem section

" its plot is structured so that no knowledge of Fūin no Tsurugi is required to enjoy the storyline." is this line really needed, considering that fuuin no tsurugi was made after it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gurall200 (talk • contribs) 02:14, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Fuuin no Tsurugi came before Fire Emblem, genius. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.252.218.117 (talk) 19:25, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Additions

Fuuin no Tsurugi has been translated into English through emulation, hence fan translation.

When inserting new text into pre-existing sections, make sure that they make grammatic sense with the rest of the text before tacking it onto the end.Hailinel 22:08, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Recruitment Theme

I could have sworn that the recruiting theme was a remix from FE4: Seisen no Keifu, not the Akania games. Barrylocke 14:55, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

It is from FE4. FE1/3's recruiting theme was used in FE7. If you read the sentence above, it says the recruiting theme was from FE4 as well. A bit contradicting isn't it? Aveyn Knight 23:17, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Broken?

Is this page busted? I keep getting a page that claims the article doesn't exist, but the talk and history pages are intact. Rebochan 22:02, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

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Plot?

I want to learn more about the game's plot, could someone write a full detailed plot I would download the game and the patch myself but I don't really know how.

Also there seems to be some confusion on when the game actually takes place. In the article it states that Roy was born ten years after the events of The Blazing Sword, yet if you go to the Blazing Sword article page it states that it takes place 20 years before the events of the Binding Sword and five years before Roy is born; this would make Roy 15 during the events of the Binding Sword. Could someone please clarify this issue? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sprinterstar7 (talk • contribs) 01:14, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Name

I changed the name to it's english translation, because that is what the naming conventions state. Specifically - If a native spelling uses different letters than the most common English spelling (eg, Wien vs. Vienna), only use the native spelling as an article title if it is more commonly used in English than the anglicized form.

If you are talking about a person, country, town, film, book, or video game, use the most commonly used English version of the name for the article, as you would find it in other encyclopedias and reference works. This makes it easy to find, and easy to compare information with other sources. For example, Christopher Columbus, Venice.

A google test shows that the japanese spellings (and variations) get hits in the low tens of thousands. The english translations are in the hundreds of thousands. Sword of Seals actually gets more than Sealed Sword. However, the last revert to the japanese name insisted on official title. Since the game hasn't been officially translated as Sword of Seals, I'm using a straight translation (Fuuin = sealed, Tsurugi = sword). Using the japanese name untranslated goes against the naming convention benefits a very small demographic (i.e. hardcore fans). Onikage725 16:51, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

I kind of liked having the games at their Japanese names, but I can't really find a flaw with your reasoning to move it the English name. However, according to one of Roy's trophies in Super Smash Bros Melee, his weapon is called the Sword of Seals, not the Sealed Sword. You can find a transcript here to verify. So oddly enough, it seems the game does have an offically translated name even though it never was released outside of Japan. Infernal Inferno 14:37, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

I say go for Sword of Seals. Aside from the points stated, it also fits in well with the Shrine of Seals in Fire Emblem. Also straight translations are often bad. In this case, the sword is not "sealed". Aveyn Knight 15:46, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Should we go with Sword of Seals or The Sword of Seals? It appears both ways on the internet, and with Google it is very hard to tell which is more frequently used. I think using "The" is more appropriate because the subtitle refers to a specific and unique item. It would also follow the naming convention of Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones. Once we decide, we should also update all uses of Fūin no Tsurugi in the article to the chosen title. Infernal Inferno 16:28, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Ha, ya know... I completely forgot about the Smash Bros. trophy. I would agree with using "The," though we may want to consider that the 9th game is "Path of Radiance" and not "The Path of Radiance." We should also look at other games (and why in the hell are their two virtually identical articles on FE10 under the Japanese and translated title?). Onikage725 00:25, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, there isn't actually anything refered to as "The Path of Radiance" in that game. The title could refer to any shining road, there is no specific one. It is not an object/collection of objects like the Sword of Seals or the Sacred Stones. That is probably why there is no "The" in the Path of Radiance title.

As for the duplication of the Goddess of Dawn Article, I have no idea what happened. They should be merged eventually. However, I would advocate waiting on any namespace changes to those articles until the official English title is revealed sometime in the coming months. That way we don't have to move things twice and instead only do things once at the final namespace. But that issue is there, not here. Infernal Inferno 00:44, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

True, good point. We should use "The" here, then. Onikage725 12:28, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh my God, I've only hust found this discussion and realised the move. The article should be reverted back to the Japanese name. It was never released in the West and what you have there is a rough translation. Don't do things by Google counts too. What you've done has made the article totally inconsistent with the other articles. If no-one objects, I'll get this moved back. Ashnard _Talk ^Contribs 11:06, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

There is no official stating of the titles. Currently, we have a rough translation for an encyclopaedic article. The above justification is referring to two official names and not fan translations; it must be changed. Ashnard _Talk ^Contribs 11:18, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Since when did people shoot first then ask questions later? Surely one is to reach consensus before the action and not after. Ashnard _Talk ^Contribs 11:47, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

That would be ever since the WP:BOLD guidleline was established. In this case I think the move may have been premature and should have been discussed first, but as a general rule he doesn't have to get permission.

I personally like having it under the Japanese title. However, I think Oni is right about moving it to an English name, as the naming policy is that "Generally, article naming should prefer what the majority of English speakers would most easily recognize, with a reasonable minimum of ambiguity, while at the same time making linking to those articles easy and second nature"(WP:NC). The correctness of translation aside, it is widely known as Sword of Seals, apparently much more widely than it is known by Fūin no Tsurugi. As for inconsistency with other articles, that just means the other articles need to be moved as well. Infernal Inferno 16:05, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm raising this at WP: VG. My point is that the English is unofficial. The game was never released over the West. I wasn't criticising him for moving the article without permission, rather doing the senseless act of discussing it afterwards. Ashnard _Talk ^Contribs 16:17, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Ashnard, I was explaining my action on the talk page, which is hardly senseless. As Infernal Inferno said, I was being bold in my edit. In this case, I first moved the article to Sword of Seals. I almost never see the game referred to by English speakers by the Japanese title. This isn't a case of an adaptation or altered name. It's just whether or not to translate. I agree that a google test isn't the end-all, be-all way of determining things. However, it did help in this case. If you check under various Japanese spellings, you get hits in the low tens of thousands. Sealed Sword and Sword of Seals are in the hundreds of thousands. My move to Sword of Seals was reverted for being "unofficial" (though it has been pointed out that there was a trophy of that name in SSBM). So I went with Sealed Sword. At the very least, it is a direct translation, and the second most common name for the game behind Sword of Seals. I try to look at these things by what is factual and by what most benefits the avergae reader and the article itself. In this case, using a translation is no less factual than the Japanese spelling. It is also supported by the guidelines. The English spellings also happen to be the most commonly used. Using the Japanese spelling benefits a select demographic, which isn't what Wikipedia is about. To address the comment about the other articles, I think they should be treated similarly. I haven't had the time to bring anything up on other pages, and the work here is not finished as it is. Just know that however bold I may be, I am no vandal and anything that people strongly disagree with can be reverted in one step. Even the move- I did nothing to the redirect, so this could be moved back with one click if it is deemed necessary by the majority. Onikage725 17:03, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Where are the sources for these names you're applying? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 17:07, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Sealed Sword is a direct translation (Fuuin = Sealed, Tsurugi = Sword). I already cited the guideline that states it is acceptable to use the most common English version of the name for the article. I initially tried Sword of Seals, which I think is more appropriate, is by far the most commonly known version of the name, and has been used by Nintendo of America as the name of the sword in this title in Super Smash Bros. Melee. Onikage725 17:21, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Sealed Sword is a direct translation (Fuuin = Sealed, Tsurugi = Sword).

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Sword of Seals seems to have a better case; can you show me any examples of that name being used in a WP:RS-ish publication? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 17:36, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

I think you've misinterpreted them guidelines, with all due respect. Ashnard _Talk ^Contribs 17:25, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Please don't take offence Onikage, it's nothing personal aginst you. I just feel that discussing makes more sense before and not after. By the way, all the English speakers that refer to this game are most probably fans. As for the Google count (which is flawed way to do things), it would make more sense to have more English name uses on English-speaking websites. You have misinterpreted the guidelines; the guidelines are comparing two official names and not an official name and its rough translation. Even the admin has reverted it. Ashnard _Talk ^Contribs 17:19, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

That is entirely possible. I never claimed to be infallible. Still you can't fault me for being bold with good faith edits. All the same, I don't see what is so "rough" about using English. First off, these names aren't that complicated. A direct translation of two words isn't "rough" ("no," being a Japanese-specific linking word, doesn't factor into a translation). Translation = the rendering of something into another language. And, as I've said (initially pointed out to me by Infernal Inferno), Sword of Seals is used in Super Smash Bros Melee, so it isn't like there is no basis. Also, most import retailers I can find have it listed as "The Sealed Sword." While not word on high from Nintendo, it does lead credence to what the avergae reader is going to be familiar with- the game and its soundtracks are often sold under that title. You can find OSTs under that name over at Play-Asia, just for quick example. The same goes for other FE games too. There's a OST for Seisen no Keifu, for example, that has the title written in English as "Geneology of Holy War." Onikage725 17:56, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

I've got a reliable source for Fuin no Tsurugi. Ashnard _Talk ^Contribs 17:46, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[1]

Please remember that the trophy in SSBM is a reference to his weapon and not the game and that the game hasn't been released over here. Ashnard _Talk ^Contribs 17:47, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

What, some retailers translate it themselves and that makes it official? As for the translation itself, many people use Sealed Sword while many use Sword of Seals—there are two interpretations which you were ready to use regardless, making it a rough translation. Ashnard _Talk ^Contribs 18:00, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

I just don't get what is so "unofficial" about a direct translation. If I say "shadow," you say "kage," a french speaker says "ombre," and a spanish speaker says "sombra," have we not all said the same thing?Fuuin in English? Sealed. Tsurugi in English? Sword. Fuuin no Tsurugi = Sealed Sword. Literally. It isn't some off the wall fan name (to address your last comment, I have no issue with Sword of Seals because it is the most common name and the sword of the title has been named as such in English-released material). I've never seen anything in guidelines to discourage using English, unless the native spelling is more common or the English spelling is for some reason factually inaccurate (like you might get with name changes in dubbed anime). You know what I can't understand though? "Sword of Seals" is listed in this articles first sentence as another spelling for this game, and noone seems to have a problem. Sword of Seals also sees about 10 times as much use by English speakers, which seems to me like it falls under WP:UCN. Stated there, Names of articles should be the most commonly used name. Likewise, [[WP:NC}} states article naming should prefer what the majority of English speakers would most easily recognize. Also in the same guideline- Use English words Convention: Name your pages in English and place the native transliteration on the first line of the article unless the native form is more commonly recognized by readers than the English form. Onikage725 18:12, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

It is the most common term amongst fans. No official source hat I can find states this. Nintendo has never released any material referring to this game in the English name. You are retrieving these quotes from these policy guidelines but it only applies if the English name has any official credibility. You are also forgetting that the game was never released here; it's not supposed to be known amongst people who aren't ardent fans. Ashnard _Talk ^Contribs 18:53, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

The name Sword of Seals may not be the official one, but it seems to be more widely used, and thus recognized, than Fūin no Tsurugi. As far as I can tell there is nothing in the policy about using 'official' names; the name should rather be the most common usage so that users can better find what they're looking for.

Additionally, making assumptions about viewership is dangerous. I think you're mistaken in believing that everyone who comes to this page is a fan of the series. They could easily be someone with no knowledge of Fire Emblem – perhaps they have come from pages about Super Smash Bros. Melee looking for more information about Roy and his game. The page should be accessible to all viewers, regarless of how or why they have come to the page. Infernal Inferno 19:40, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Are we forgetting people? The game was never released in the West. It is a relative unkown in the West in the broad sense. Its notability in the West amounts to fan recounts and the fact that Roy was in it. What are you talking about no policy on "official" names. It's called having verifiability. No OR. No fan terms. Who's called it Sword of Seals besides the forums? Ashnard _Talk ^Contribs 20:16, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Look at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games‎. A LttP has also said that the name isn't official. Ashnard _Talk ^Contribs 20:33, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Well if Link said so then I guess we should just stop the conversation.

Sarcasm aside (and I mean no offence, I'm just in a weird mood), I'm just going to re-state this from the guidelines- Use English words Convention: Name your pages in English and place the native transliteration on the first line of the article unless the native form is more commonly recognized by readers than the English form. Can you cite a guideline that states that "if a game has not been officially translated, use Japanese." The closest I can see on that is if it is more commonly known in its native spelling to use that. I don't see the word "official" anywhere. I see "common" all over the place. Onikage725 02:25, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Right, four editors have said that you are in the wrong. It is absoultely ridiculous that you want to use an article name that has no source, no verifiability and is only common anongst fans. As I've said a thousand times before, these guidelines only appply if the name itself isn't policy violating. This is just common sense. The policy is meaningless if it misses the fundamental rule of having a source. It has never been named Sword of Seals in the West by Nintendo. this "common" thing is counter-productive for you as it's only common amongst fans as it has never been released over here. Ashnard _Talk ^Contribs 08:47, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

For the record Ashnard, you are being fairly contentious. We were discussing the merit of this before you came in here all fire and brimstone. I respect your differing view, I just wish you'd put the guns away. I'm not "just trying to prove you wrong" as you seem to think. I don't have any problem with your view. And for the record, noone put this to a poll, and two editors above were discussing English useage. 4 over 3 does not equal a supermajority. I found nothing in the guidelines mentionig the word official, and all I was asking was proof of the contrary. "This is wrong because I think so" is not a valid reason when I'm citing numerous guidelines to the contrary. As for "fans," Sealed Sword is a literal translation. We don't need Miyamoto to come from on high and tell us, for example, that a Tsurugi is a sword or the Fuuin means "sealed." Translation is supported by guidelines unless the native spelling is more common. Now, someone pointed out the flaw in my search method, and Fuuin no Tsurugi may in fact be more common than the translation, so I'm willing to drop the matter. However, that still leaves "Sword of Seals." The game itself may not have gotten a full title translation in English, but the "Fuuin no Tsurugi" of the games title has been translated by Nintendo as the Sword of Seals. It is quite clear what their intentions on the word are. Onikage725 12:29, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Fine. Use Sword of Seals when translating and and not Sealed Sword—as long as you don't name the article like that. When you were discussing without me, you all agreed that it was the right thing to do. I may have been quite aggressive in my approach, but you guys were ready to rename all of the Japanese Fire Emblems and would have done so without interference. Please also remember that official comes under Wikipedia: Original research and Wikipedia: Verifiability. As for the "experienced" comment, if you want to take offence to that then so be it; I didn't man it to be offencive. I was just trying to say that these people usually know what they're talking about it. Ashnard _Talk ^Contribs 12:55, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

western appearance

anybody know when it will come out for usa? Slipknot6477 16:22, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

There are currently no announced plans to bring the game to the US. Since the GBA's life cycle is pretty much over, there is little chance we will see it on that platform. The Wii's Virtual console currently does not deliver titles from any GameBoy system, so it is very unlikely it is coming over any time in the forseeable future. Infernal Inferno 16:31, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

it may come out, thoghu. the japanese name translates to "The Sword of Seals," but ssbb dubbed it as "The Binding Blade." Also, i find it very likely that nintendo will soon put original gameboy/gameboy color games on the vc. Igglybuff63 (talk) 11:42, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

WP:GOOGLE

I just want to bring this up once more, on the issue of names. All old reasons still apply, but the reason I left it is because someone told me that using a "+" would assist the search. However, someone else told me that doing that obscures searches. Using the techniques illustrated in the above-mentioned article here on wiki for google searching, I see no mention of refining a search using "+", and my searches using their techniques (even using NOT commands to limit wikipedia hits) leaves me still with a large majority in favor of Sword of Seals. Is there anything I may be missing about WP:GOOGLE? Onikage725 19:08, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Even if your argument for that policy is valid, you're still missing the point that it violates WP:NOR and WP:V. Ashnard _Talk ^Contribs 18:56, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

If it were valid (which I'm asking for opinions on, not outright claiming), I'd say it might warrant a discussion. Nintendo does support the "Sword of Seals" phrase as evidenced in SSBM. They translate Fuuin no Tsurugi as Sword of Seals. No its not a write out of the games title, but the Fuuin no Tsurugi/Sword of Seals is the same item as in the title and the same spelling. Onikage725 19:08, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

With the risk of sounding abrupt, that is the point. What's the point in discussing when consensus has already been established. That spelling is the name for the item which does happen to be the title, but Nintendo have never stated an English title. Ashnard _Talk ^Contribs 19:58, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

What's the point of discussing when consensus has already been established? WP:CCC. Why are you so defensive about me asking a simple question? We established a consensus last time, and I won't go against that and make any grand edits. But there's no harm in asking a question or for anyone's perspective. Onikage725 21:31, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

And also, if anyone can help me clarify the google question, I may make a similar motion on Seisen no Keifu. The google search as I tried it showed a preference for "Genealogy of the Holy War." The title has been written in English (on one of the OSTs), so it is clearly an official English version of the title and *possibly* more common. But that all goes to my first question of if I am correctly interpreting the google search guidelines. Onikage725 21:35, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

What's this deal about +? Unless I'm forgetting something, a correct search is made with " " around the expression, not just the expression or the expression with +s between words. Here are the results I get on Google (capital letters and the : don't change anything):

• 12,700 hits for "Fire Emblem: Seisen no Keifu"
• 714 hits for "Fire Emblem: Genealogy of the Holy War"

And

• 12,200 hits for "Fire Emblem: Sword of Seals"
• 775 hits for "Fire Emblem: Sealed Sword"
• 551 hits for "Fire Emblem: Fūin no Tsurugi"
• 374 hits for "Fire Emblem: Fuin no Tsurugi"

Kariteh 21:55, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

The "+" thing is because I proposed looking at the english translations as common names (the reasons and what not are outlined up above in the discussion). Someone informed me that I "needed to learn how to use Google," did the searches with the plus sign in the middle, and came up with the Japanese names being the most common (which common name guidelines state as a clear reason to NOT translate). Hence I dropped it at that time. Onikage725 23:26, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Why entertain the prsopect anyawy; it violates policy—regardless of Google counts. Ashnard _Talk ^Contribs 21:58, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

No, it doesn't. This is an issue about interpretation of guidelines. Policies are a seperate matter. I cited the guidelines saying to use an English translation unless the foreign version is more common. I was countered with "not official." Thing is, that guideline doesn't use the word official anywhere, nor does it say "who" can translate. Thus it is up to interpretation- which means open to discussion. Seriously Ashnard, I'm simply asking for opinions. I know yours is contrary to mine, and it is noted. I already said I wouldn't do anything without consensus. You don't have to jump on everything I say in an effort to make me shut up. Onikage725 23:26, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

It's getting heated and personal. Other users can offer their opinion; I'm leaving this discussion. I suggest that you look back at the earlier discussions. Ashnard _Talk ^Contribs 23:48, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

No heat on my part. I'm just asking you to ask yourself why you feel it is personal, that's all. I'm asking a question of everyone who edits this article, not trying to attack or belittle your opinion on the matter. Onikage725 23:57, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Onikage brings up valid points and there's no reason for him to shut up. Kariteh 09:02, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Yawn. This is getting old. I'm getting dragged back into this because I'm being protrayed as the big bad wolf. His point is not valid because it contradicts the points that I have made and which administrators have made. Onikage says that doesn't mention anything about "official" in naming conventions; it's called OR and verifiability. It's like saying "it says nothing in the naming conventions about vandalism, so maybe I should vandalise on the way". Why entertain the prospect? Please, explain how you're points are valid. Ashnard _Talk ^Contribs 09:18, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Noone's dragged you into anything. I asked a question specifically about WP:GOOGLE. I stated all my reasons in the previous discussion. My points are not made invalid because you disagree with them, anymore than yours are by my disagreement. We are entitled to our own opinions. And I am entitled to ask a question on a discussion page. Your opinion was well established in the other discussion and now here. So, no offence, but if you are unable to answer the question I was seeking assistance with then there is absolutely no need for you to feel "dragged" into this. How many times did I say I wouldn't make a change without a consensus? And it is possible that the answer to my question will turn out exactly like I last thought, in which case I wouldn't pursue anything anyway. So you don't need to feel so damn defensive! Noone's attacking you, and I am only asking that you show me the same courtesy and not jump on everything. That isn't discussing (which is the cornerstone of Wikipedia's process). That is an argument tactic. And FYI, Wikipedia's guidelines are, by nature, evolving works meant to improve articles, not be held to the letter as if they were law. I'm not saying "ignore all guidelines," just simply pointing out that if noone ever posed questions or expressed ideas the guidelines would cease to evolve. Onikage725 17:40, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Manga

Do you think the manga, Hasha No Tsurugi, which is based around the events of The Binding Blade, should be mentioned here? General kaiden (talk) 23:39, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Moving the Article

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was no consensus. --BDD (talk) 18:19, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Fire Emblem: Fūin no Tsurugi → Fire Emblem: Binding Blade – There is an official translation in Fire Emblem: Awakening that refers to this game as "Fire Emblem: Binding Blade" Relisted. BDD (talk) 16:32, 25 April 2013 (UTC) relisting Tiggerjay (talk) 03:59, 22 April 2013 (UTC) Thenewguy34 (talk) 12:52, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Can you mention in what context the name was used? I am also not sure about the move because in most cases English names are used if it is from an actual release or at least announced for release in an English speaking country.--174.93.164.125 (talk) 17:52, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

In Fire Emblem: Awakening, it is referred to as "Binding Blade" (with no "The"). If you do not believe me, go into the Spotpass bonuses and you will notice that it is referred to as "Binding Blade". It clearly has to be an official translation if the translation came from another Fire Emblem game. Games like Super Smash Bros. Brawl, anything can happen. But rejecting "Binding Blade" as an official translation when it came from another Fire Emblem game would be like denying "Fire Emblem: Awakening" as an official translation. --Thenewguy34 (talk) 18:10, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Can you provide a screencap or link to a paused video that shows this? And do you have any other backing reliable, secondary sources? (Also, unrelated to move, but shouldn't "Sword of Seals" [most prominent translation [2]] be mentioned in the lead?) czar · · 15:54, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

I can probably get a friend of mine to get a screenshot or video. We may need to wait (a day or two) for it to be uploaded, though. --Thenewguy34 (talk) 23:42, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Sorry to barge in, but I have a picture, hope this quality is good enough... http://oi48.tinypic.com/33uewax.jpgDarga95 (talk) 00:29, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! czar · · 01:44, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

What's your case for using "Binding Blade" instead of "Sword of Seals"? I understand that Nintendo references "Binding Blade" in Smash Bros and Awakening, but as I understand it, N hasn't officially used the title and no reliable source uses that translation. I would definitely support a rename to "Sword of Seals" as many RS refer to it as such. To clarify, my gut says this is okay, but per Wikipedia's rules, we shouldn't be editing things in that aren't coming from confirmed, secondary, reliable sources. If moving to "Sword of Seals" is unacceptable, may be best to wait until we have official confirmation before acting. czar · · 01:44, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Also I'll just leave this here. czar · · 02:17, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

The title was also used in the official website for Fire Emblem 7 before they reused FE6's title in Super Smash Bros. Brawl.DigiPen92 (talk) 03:53, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose until reliable secondary sources verify the translation, per my comments above. czar · · 06:07, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

• Weak support for "The Binding Blade," Oppose "Binding Blade." I own Awakening, and these are clipped titles of the games, not to be used literally. The SpotPass team for FE8 is merely called "Sacred Stones" yet the official English translation is clearly "The Sacred Stones" for the subtitle; Awakening is clearly not renaming the game, but merely using an abbreviated form to refer to it. It's even more obvious for FE4 - it should not be moved to "Fire Emblem: Genealogy / Holy War" (omitting "of the" even when it's in the middle of the phrase!). Thus we still have no official confirmation on if a "The" should be included or not since it's always dropped by Awakening's team names. Keeping the title at Fuin no Tsurugi is an acceptable compromise; I suppose I'm weakly willing to support a move to "The Binding Blade" with a wee bit of OR in assuming an English title would include a "the." SnowFire (talk) 00:01, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

FE8 was called "Sacred Stones" in Awakening? I did not realize that. But you still get my idea of moving it, correct? --Thenewguy34 (talk) 20:54, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes and no. I agree that the official translation includes the phrase "Binding Blade." We have no idea what articles and/or prepositions go with it. Look at the picture above by darga95; you can see how FE4 is "Genealogy / Holy War" which omits "of the." I'm not saying that FE8 is referred to as "Sacred Stones" in FEA; I'm saying that the shorthand title used for the SpotPass team is "Sacred Stones" / "Binding Blade" / etc. There is no claim in Awakening that the team name is the full official game name, merely shorthand.

Since the FE8 team clearly omitted "The," and the FE4 team title is clearly clipped, we just don't know if an official translation would include "The" or not (or even something weirder, e.g. "Fire Emblem: A Binding Blade"). I personally would prefer "The Binding Blade" but that's just because I think it sounds more natural, and (warning: I don't know Japanese) that including "the" is a faithful translation. Keeping it at Fūin no Tsurugi is also fine. Just "Binding Blade" sounds awkward to my ears and I would not want to have that as the title without stronger confirmation than the SpotPass team to use for it. Does some strong source other than Awakening suggest it's strictly just "Binding Blade"? SnowFire (talk) 22:10, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Not that I know of. So "Fire Emblem: The Binding Blade" is what you think it should be located at? I am okay that. --Thenewguy34 (talk) 13:19, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

• There was an error with the attempted relisting of this request. It can be closed as of April 29. --BDD (talk) 16:31, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

So are we going to move it or not? I think we have reached the consensus of "yes", but to verify, what are people's final stance? --Thenewguy34 (talk) 13:50, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

This discussion is much closer to "no consensus" (no action) than "yes". An outside party will come by and close it eventually. I'll ping WPVG to bring in more voices. czar · · 15:27, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

• Support any variation of "Binding Blade" - Whenever there is any sort of official word on English names, I support it, because for a vast majority of English readers, the Japanese name means nothing, is difficult to remember/keep straight, and looks like gibberish. Sergecross73 msg me 14:42, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
• Comment: Why only this article? Based on the provided screenshot, this feels like a trivial mention/off-the-cuff translation to me. Should we be moving Fire Emblem: Seisen no Keifu to "Fire Emblem: Genealogy / Holy War" as well? As far as common names go, I'm actually inclined to believe that the Japanese romaji names for these games are much more common than any single translation that exists as of yet. Axem Titanium (talk) 19:39, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
• For what it's worth, the DLC notifications refer to the game as 'Fire Emblem: Binding Blade'... and the eighth game as 'Fire Emblem: Sacred Stones', even when referring to the games in paragraph form where space is theoretically unlimited. Those notifications are definitely, definitely not reliable, though - even not considering Wikipedia standards they make several errors about Awakening itself. Brawl itself definitely uses 'The Binding Blade', but it's not consistent with regards to the names of several things in Archanea, including but not limited to the name of Archanea. And while the Blazing Sword website gives us The Binding Blade as well, they also gave us Serlis, who became Seliph in Awakening. Now, personally, I support swapping to "Fire Emblem: Mystery of the Emblem", "Fire Emblem: Genealogy of the Holy War", and "Fire Emblem: The Binding Blade"... but my opinion is obviously not Wikipedia policy, and indeed, we can't be 100% certain on any of these name changes. The best we can offer is inconsistent (but dominant) use of a 'the' in The Binding Blade and the assumption that "Fire Emblem:" does precede the names of "Mystery of the Emblem" and "Genealogy of the Holy War", which are always referred to in the game by their subtitles (and, with that, Mystery may well refer to FE12 - who knows.) To that end, even though I personally support the move, in the interest of being neutral, I must give a weak oppose to any of the changes. Emmy Altava 07:29, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

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Support system

It says on Path of Radiance that this game was the first to introduce the support system, could it be explained here? 174.92.133.112 (talk) 12:45, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

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