Talk:Fisker Automotive

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Sounds like Advertising[edit]

This article reads like a press release. I have edited it to make it something more like an encyclopedia article. Mrrhum (talk) 17:24, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, the part about "Innovative Outsourcing" is like the company typed it up themselves. I'm changing it to "Outsourcing of Parts". JettaMann (talk) 18:02, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Conflicting info[edit]

It's either unclear or conflicting - the summary section says "e estimated 15,000 cars per year will be assembled by Valmet Automotive in Uusikaupunki, Finland.[3] Valmet was selected because a suitable North American facility could not be identified.", while the Manufacturing section says "Fisker officials announced that the company has signed a letter of intent to take control of the Boxwood Road Plant (previously owned and operated by General Motors) in Wilmington, Delaware. In addition to a purchase price of $18 million, Fisker plans to spend $175 million on the plant by 2012. Vice President Joe Biden attended the announcement." Which is it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.53.46.140 (talk) 15:58, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Karma is assembled in Finland, the Project NINA second car will be made in Delaware. I put a lot of the Project NINA stuff scattered around the article under a new section, so it should be clearer. -- Skierpage (talk) 04:34, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Can't be true[edit]

"The company's first product, the Fisker Karma is the world's first true Electric Vehicle with extended range (EVer)" This can't be true? Tesla started production back in 2008 and they started (or are going to start) this year. You can't count when it was built in a shed or when the concept was made. To me, it looks like the company is makeing this up to get publicaty. You ppl need to lock this down! BTW sorry for my bad english. —Preceding Luka Mlinar comment added by 89.164.139.184 13:38, 15 July 2011 (CEST)

The Tesla is battery only, so not considered a "Range Extender" such as the Karma or Chevrolet Volt. Warren (talk) 16:32, 10 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

re: "Can't be true" above.[edit]

With all due respect, whoever wrote the above is not being factually clear. Fisker is not the same as Tesla. Fisker has just barely begun producing their first Karma. While Tesla did begin production a while back, Tesla is simply a battery-powered car. The Karma is a totally different beast: it has no range limitations because it has an onboard electricity generator powered by gasoline. This puts the Karma in the same powertrain class as the Chevrolet Volt, which of note already has several thousand cars on the road (and was also introduced as a concept vehicle in January 2007, incidentally, before the Fisker Karma. Don't get me wrong, the Tesla seems to be a great car, & the Karma looks like a great car. I am just trying to make the article an accurate, fair & balanced presentation.

@dude above: r u stoned?[edit]

"it has no range limitations because it has an onboard electricity generator powered by gasoline" -First of all that's not an electric vehicle, that's a hybrid! -2nd; yes it has range. It's from the time you put gas to the time the gas runs out. This page is a joke. But yeah, whatever. You can't write what you want. My bet is that the company will go defunct in a year or so. BTW nice of you not to post you're IP. That just proves the point that you are working for that company or that you are a vandal. —Preceding Luka Mlinar comment added by 89.164.223.76 19:52, 15 August 2011 (CEST)

beware Web sites regurgitating press releases[edit]

In this evening's edits, I replaced a lot of {{cite web}} to various web sites. Folks,

  • when calcars.org cranks out "The Ultimate Posting on Plug-In Hybrid Developments: Clip & Save", it is not an original source
  • when ing.dk (a Danish site?!) rambles on in 2011 about events in 2009, it is not the original source
  • do you really think the hacks at autos.ca sat down with Fisker to learn about its plans?

All these web pages are just summarizing stuff they found on another web site. And unless that other web site is famous or motivated enough to send an actual reporter to an event, even the originating sites are just parroting stuff from a press release. So in addition to finding the originating web sites for some information, when those I determined sites aren't adding any information to Fisker's or the government's own press releases, I switched to {{cite press release}}. Thanks for letting me vent! -- Skierpage (talk) 11:10, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What does this sentence mean?[edit]

What does this mean:

"Fisker expects about half its sales to originate in Europe and the rest of the world by 2012."

Does it mean that Fisker expects 1/2 of it's sales to originate in "Europe and the rest of the world" by 2012? If that's the intended meaning, then "Europe and the rest of the world" can be shortened to "the world", in which case, the sentence says less than nothing. (will the other 1/2 come from other planets?).

Or does it mean that Fisker expects 1/2 of it's sales to originate in Europe, with the other 1/2 originating in "the rest of the world", by 2012? If that's the intended meaning, then it should read:

"Fisker expects about half its sales to originate in Europe by 2012."

(obviously, the other half would originate from "the rest of the world")

I can't think of another possible meaning, but since I don't know which one was intended, I didn't change the article.

RichMaru (talk) 21:18, 28 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

To user RichMaru, you clearly don't understand the business model of Fisker. Yes, they do expect sales to come from other planets, and governments based in other solar systems will be loaning them money. Further, it is widely believed that they have factories on other planets, as they have shut down all Earth-based Fisker factories to eliminate excess production capacity.--68.183.56.220 (talk) 05:18, 11 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Company Shill Wiping Off Negative News About Fisker[edit]

Wiki user Warren Whyte is grooming this page as if it were his own website, and stuffing it with only positive, pro-Fisker text. He is wiping out entire paragraphs of perfectly sourced information and giving those destructive edits fake edit summaries. To wit, he wiped out this entire paragraph: 

Production Shuts Down, Heads for Bankruptcy

In July 2012, Fisker shut down all production and hired bankruptcy adviser Evercore Partners, Inc.. With government credit lines suspended and no income, company officials have sought further government loans and subsidies, and continued to desperately search for investors, lenders, and buyers, and still hopes to find customers in China, England, and continental Europe. [45]

And explained it away with "deleted out of date ref, added ref to investor section" and "Added update on financial problems". I'm not even a Wiki account holder and don't know how to revert this because it seems bundled with other changes I'm not aware of or involved with. Can someone fix this? And fix the destructive user here? Thank you.--76.254.16.247 (talk) 06:31, 27 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

If you took the time to read my edit following yours, you will see I added the production stoppage into the lead of the article and included issues with the battery suplier and the continued search for investors - so you can cut the inaccurate "pro-Fisker" comments. You created a new paragraph which I only incorporated into the main article so I really do not see what your problem is, and in addition I added a newer ref which emphasised the funding problems into December Warren (talk) 14:08, 27 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Warren Whyte, your lightning-fast reply to my post (which was really bait to see how fast you'd swoop down on it) on the talk page really just underscores what I was saying. My well-written, well-sourced title + paragraph was deleted by you, and part of it remained only as half a sentence in another part of the article that essentially blames the insolvency of Fisker on another company that also can't make any money, A123. It isn't your article to delete, and this isn't your website to monitor and censor. Also, if you know English, you'll know that "Fisker stopped production in the summer of 2012, and was seeking new investment, and further complicated (sic?) by the bankruptcy of its battery supplier A123 Systems." makes no sense. This company doesn't have a product and doesn't have a business and will go BK and liquidate in less than 18 months. No one is going to show up with 5 billion dollars saying, "We want to buy your car product that no one wants and was widely panned in the press, and we want to own the technology you don't have." They've sought professional bankruptcy advice (something you've censored from the article) and have finished production. There isn't any more news to come that talks about anything other than the liquidation of this company.76.254.16.247 (talk) 09:14, 28 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Clearly you need to read the article again and see that I incorporated your edit with further details, including the cessation of developing a forthcoming model. Why you think this makes me a company stooge I have no idea (and for the record I have no connection with Fisker or its investors). You obviously have an agenda you are not forthcoming about and you hide behind your anonymous editing too. You may indeed be right that they could go bankrupt if they don't sort out their current funding problems pretty soon, but Wikipedia is not in the business of guessing the future or crystal ball gazing (see: WP:CRYSTAL), and the dozens of other editors who work on this article do not seem to share your concerns, so best you calm down a little and stop flinging unfounded accusations around. Warren (talk) 12:33, 28 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Update 5/1/2013, someone has kindly restored much of the information deleted, thanks for that. On 4/23/2013 it was announced that the government had confiscated $21,000,000 from Fisker in order to get 10% of the money back to the US taxpayers before it is spent on lawyers, and it was reported that these $100,000 cars cost 2/3rds of a million dollars to build, so the taxpayers essentially subsidized "luxury, novelty vehicles for the likes of Justin Bieber, Leonardo DiCaprio and Al Gore,", according to Rep. Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, the subcommittee chairman who called a House hearing on the matter. I'd add this with the sources, but the company shill will just delete it. Wiki user Warren Whyte should have saved some of his spirited replies for these long months of bankruptcy. Fisker could use a company shill more than ever to help them win favor in the bankrupcy courts. In 12/2012, I said "This company doesn't have a product and doesn't have a business and will go BK and liquidate in less than 18 months." That was a typo. I meant "8 months"...68.183.56.65 (talk) 02:03, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"We Create Wiki Pages" company linking here[edit]

See here - it's the "Example 3" link near the top of the page. The site doesn't actually say that our Fisker page was created by them, but I think it's at least a reason to be cautious if someone adds lots of content favourable to the company. 109.155.178.29 (talk) 16:02, 12 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Fisker is alive again[edit]

http://www.ibtimes.com/tesla-motors-inc-tsla-gains-new-challenger-fisker-restart-production-karma-luxury-2052494 With new Chinese Investors, Fisker is back on track. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.159.82.134 (talk) 12:51, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 05 November 2016[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page moved. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 13:49, 5 November 2016 (UTC)[reply] 

moved Anthony Appleyard (talk)

Fisker Inc. → Fisker Automotive – WP:BRD revert undiscussed move. This article covered the defunct auto company (2007-2014) for many years before "Fisker Inc." was founded in 2016, so the majority of the edit history is about the older company. This is a WP:COATRACK and should be returned to what the edit history is about and then split off again. The article is factually incorrect in conflating the two topics, as the assets of Fisker Automotive was bought by Wanxiang to create Karma Automotive which most major news outlets call the successor of Fisker Automotive (and not "Fisker Inc.") -- – 65.94.171.217 (talk) 04:17, 5 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:02, 5 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • @65.94.171.217: The current article Fisker Inc. is about both Fisker companies, so there is no single clean cut-and-paste point. The first edit that mentions the new Fisker company seems to be at 13:24, 26 October 2016‎ by Bernie44, as a small text addition to the existing full history of the old Fisker company. We will have to move article Fisker Inc. to Fisker Automotive, and then make a partial cut-and-paste, removing the text about the new Fisker company and using it to start a new article Fisker Inc., with a history note in its talk page. How much resemblance is there between the old Fisker company's products and the new Fisker company's products? Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:02, 5 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Anthony Appleyard: I never said there was a cut and paste, I said there was an undiscussed move. This should be reverted per WP:BRD since prior to 2016, this article's entire history was about Fisker Automotive. In 2016, the article became a WP:COATRACK; then last month, someone moved the article to Fisker Inc. which is wrong, since the edit history of this article is about Fisker Automotive. That this is about two separate companies makes this a bad article, since the assets of the first company became Karma Automotive, while the new company has no assets from the first. I said it needed a WP:SPLIT (content split) I never said it there was a history split involved. -- 65.94.171.217 (talk) 11:19, 5 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • @65.94.171.217: I have made the move. I have split off page Fisker Inc. from it. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 13:51, 5 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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