Talk:Focke-Wulf Fw 200 Condor/Archive 1

Archive 1

Extra weight

"The extra weight of the improvements meant that a number of early Condors would break-up on landing, a problem that was never entirely fixed. Later models were equipped with radar."

The last sentence doesn't fit with the rest of the paragraph very well, but I'm not sure where it should go. In it's own paragraph?

It is a bit of a logical disconnect. I'll try to work something out for it.

Jb17kx 04:56, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Being a converted airliner the Condor wasn't really suited to low-level operations against shipping. The gusty conditions at the low altitudes, plus the sometimes violent manoeuvres demanded during action, increased the stresses on the airframe above that normal for an airliner and a number of Condors suffered rear wing spar fatigue failure upon landing.

For flogging-around at low levels over the North Atlantic in poor weather you really need a beefy airframe to soak up the bending moments caused by gusts, and the Condor really needed to be much stronger than it was. The best illustration of a type optimised for this role is probably the Avro Shackleton, which was designed using the experience of RAF Coastal Command during the Battle of the Atlantic, and was intended for extended low level/high engine power use, i.e., being flung around relatively violently (for such a large aircraft) at low level.

Other LRMP/ASW aircraft, like the Condor, adapted from civil airliners, were the Lockheed Orion and the Hawker Siddeley Nimrod, although how well these adapted airframes would have fared in actual operations similar to those fought in WW II is not clear, one suspects that in the war scenario they were intended for, airframe longevity was not uppermost in the designer's minds! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.112.43.167 (talk) 21:46, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

References and missiles

If anyone's checking up on this - can someone fix the broken references section? As well, can anyone add information on the Kondor carrying experimental guided missiles?Kmmontandon (talk) 19:19, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Kondor

I'm changing the spelling of the name from Condor to Kondor, because it is the German name. Binksternet (talk) 17:51, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

And I changed it back to Condor as it has always been written in this way, at least for the Fw 200. (see also Legion Condor). It is absolutely possible the name was written with a C during this time but "germanized" later, now written with K. --Denniss (talk) 09:24, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

I've seen sources writing Kondor, and others with Condor. I have seen no explanation of the first German name, so I'll take your word for it. There are some Wikipedia articles referring to the Fw 200 with the Kondor spelling. Binksternet (talk) 14:58, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

At one time the German name for it was Kurier. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.4.57.101 (talk) 14:01, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

"Kondor" is German for "Condor". So strictly speaking it should be the Fw 200 Kondor. However most sources will use the 'Anglish' rather than Germanic spelling. Even though "Kondor" is a proper noun (and as such exempt from linguistic restrictions) most non-pedants would take the view that as this is the English language Wikipedia than "Condor" is correct. Loates Jr (talk) 11:39, 7 June 2016 (UTC)Andy L

The Germans themselves used Condor, and it was written that way on the prototypes, and on the top of the rudders on the D. Lufthansa aircraft. - NiD.29 (talk) 07:17, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

New York-Berlin Flight

The article states the Condor was the first airplane to fly non-stop "between Berlin and New York." As I understand it, in 1927 (two weeks after Lindbergh's flight) Chamberlain and Byrd flew their Wright-Bellanca WB-2 non-stop from New York to Berlin in 43 hours, 30 minutes. Maybe the author meant to specify that the Condor flew the first flight FROM Berlin to New York, but the phrase "between Berlin and New York" does not imply direction. Should this be re-phrased, or the Chamberlain/Byrd flight mentioned? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.170.203.240 (talk) 19:09, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

The German Wiki provides the anwer: Am 10. August 1938 flog die Focke-Wulf Fw 200 V1 „Condor“ (D-ACON), Werk-Nr. 2000, der Lufthansa unter dem Kommando von Flugkapitän Dipl.-Ing. Alfred Henke und mit Hptm. Rudolf von Moreau (2. Pilot), Paul Dierberg (Oberfunker-Maschinist) und Walter Kober (Oberflugzeugfunker) als erstes landgestütztes Passagierlangstreckenflugzeug nonstop die 6371,302 Kilometer lange Strecke von Berlin-Staaken zum Floyd Bennett Field in New York City in 24 Stunden, 56 Minuten und 12 Sekunden; dies entsprach einer Durchschnittsgeschwindigkeit von 255,499 km/h. Auf dem Rückflug vom Floyd Bennett Field nach Berlin-Tempelhof legte die Maschine eine Strecke von 6392 km in 19 Stunden und 55 Minuten zurück; dies entspricht einer Durchschnittsgeschwindigkeit von 321 km/h. Beide Flüge wurden von der FAI als Flugweg-Rekorde, 2. Kategorie (Rekord mit Besatzung), anerkannt.

Those flights were the first land-based airliner nonstop flights of FAI record category 2 "with crew" ... whatever this means (What's a flight without crew? A flight by a drone?) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.9.233.197 (talk) 06:44, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

FWIW, Berlin to New York is much more difficult than New York to Berlin because of the prevailing winds. Flying the same distance westward requires more fuel than flying eastward (the westbound flight took 5 hours longer). Santamoly (talk) 08:09, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

References

Berlin-New York

Am I missing something? The aircraft doesn't seem to have suitable range to make this journey?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.47.179.58 (talk) 22:27, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

It's SOP on ferry flights to add fuel tanks in the cabin to increase range. Santamoly (talk) 08:11, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

This can't be right

"Before 1940, the operational base of the Fw 200 squadrons had been in Denmark."

Before 1940, the Germans had not invaded Denmark.Eregli bob (talk) 15:09, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

wrong data

as you can see here http://www.cockpitinstrumente.de/archiv/Dokumente/ABC/f/FockeWulf/Fw%20200/Fw200%20C3%20Bedienvorschrift.pdf 365 km/h at 4400 meters it's max cruise speed (so hard think 370 km/h was max speed). yo can also see the internal load it's max 2 500 kg bombs (not 4 to 250 kg bombs) the max bomb load it's 5400 kg (1000 internal and 4400 external) with reduced fuel load (1900 kg) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.238.235.70 (talk) 13:44, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Needs moved per MOS

This page should be under the full title 'Focke-Wulf Fw 200 Condor', and I'm afraid I just had trouble finding it searching Condor. I'm outta wikitime to deal with redirect fixes, so I place it in your hands. // FrankB 14:07, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Doesnt need to be at the "full title" if Focke-Wulf Fw 200 is the more common name, Focke-Wulf Fw 200 Condor and Condor (disambiguation) both point to this article so should be easy to find, what did you try searching for? MilborneOne (talk) 14:24, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

I was editing links here —by which in answer to the below, if "FW Condor"-my original data was one of the listed aircraft, the name was likely used by Walter J. Boyne in the series... I'm not going to argue with his expertise. In any case, even nicknames deserve documentation as search strings. No one can predict under what circumstances or thoughts another individual will be looking in the future, after all. If any nickname is used, it need be mentioned. In this case since I wasn't sure how to spell Focke-Wulf and FW didn't turn up any near hits, I with my open edit window was lucky to find the list of article for the era... a waste of my time and a counter-productive distraction, given that it took me from adding to the article for instead time researching likely matches. Nicknames are at least found by Google, so whether you rename it or not, add it on Boynes authority! // FrankB 17:15, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Current redirects are:

Focke Wulf Condor

Focke Wulf Fw 200

Focke-Wulf 200

Focke-Wulf 200 Condor

Focke-Wulf Condor

Focke-Wulf Fw 200 Condor

Focke-Wulf Fw200

Fw 200

Fw 200 Condor

Fw 200 Kondor

Fw-200

These should be enough to allow the article to be found. If really necessary more could be added - but lets keep the article accurate and not base it on unreferenced articles to documentories on the discovery channel.Nigel Ish (talk) 17:37, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Condor was just a byname/nickname, I have not yet seen it in official aircraft manuals. --Denniss (talk) 16:56, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

A 1937 Flight article: [1] - the type's civilian name was 'Condor' and the the Fw 200K military version initially the 'Kurier' but later this reverted back to the 'Condor' name: [2] and [3]— Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.150.11.156 (talk) 19:29, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

drawings

would need a drawing badly FockeWulf FW 190 (talk) 23:51, 5 August 2013 (UTC)FockeWulf FW 190FockeWulf FW 190 (talk) 23:51, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Assessment comment

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Focke-Wulf Fw 200 Condor/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

Needs an infobox and references, but this is a pretty good, if brief, overview of what the Condor was about. The information on surviving Condor wrecks is quite interesting, to me at least. M Van Houten 05:45, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Substituted at 18:18, 17 July 2016 (UTC)