Talk:Foundation and Empire

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08:50, 2 March 2015 (UTC)Balavent (talk)==Questions== Dead Hand

Was Seldon's dead hand, in fact, the live hands of the Second Foundation?

Timing

Why did Bayta Darell wait until the last moment to shoot? Hillgentleman 05:46, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

1) I don't think so... an explanation is given at the end of the story that explains everything without the need for a 2nd foundation. Though who knows, perhaps they helped it along a little bit.

2) Because I imagine she didn't want to shoot a dear friend of hers unless she was absolutely sure that it was necessary. She couldn't know that he would actually find the location of the second foundation - he very well could have failed, in which case killing him would have been a tragic waste of a life. Esn 07:19, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think the greater question is why didn't she just shoot Magnifico once she realized he was the Mule?

Why kill her friend Ebling Mis instead? Prusumably, it wasn't out of fear the the Mule would sense it and place her under control. If he could do that, why couldn't he stop her from killing Mis the same way?

A slight alteration of aim would have saved her friend, and rid the galaxy of the murderous mutant! I understand why this happened from a storytelling point of view, but from the standpoint of internal logic, I don't.

Slight confusion[edit]

Bel Riose took Ducem Barr on his "expedition". Barr is the one who told him about the "dead hand", not Devers. Barr also told him about the advanced technology, all of this way before Riose sets off on his conquest. Slartibartfast1992 00:04, 27 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You're not even mentioning Barr. Could somebody make that edit? I'm busy, so I can't. Slartibartfast1992 22:43, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Meh, forget my excuses. I'm lazy, so I will likely procrastinate until I'm bored enough to do this. --Slartibartfast1992 02:52, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Plot Summary[edit]

Again much like the article describing Foundations, this one also carries long winded Plot summaries. Things to do, brief descriptions of each segment with 1-2 paragraphs. Nw15062 (talk) 19:38, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Some Improvements Required[edit]

Hi, I'm new here. I think some improvements are required in this article. I'm writing from memory and I'll get hold of a copy of the book by tomorrow. However, In the plot summary, I think the fact that the emperor sent an emissary to watch over riose should be mentioned. there are two other smaller issues I noticed. (1) The Galactic Empire has not ceased to exist in name at the time of the second part of the novel. In fact, we encounter the emperor himself. Moreover, the Mule also talks about how the emperor is mad and only has a little longer to live. So, the title of the emperor still has importance for the mule. (2) I dont understand the line about the mule being the only one in control of `atomic weapons'. My impression is that atomic technology is fairly common. The Mule, of course, has the most powerful navy in the galaxy.

I'll wait for someone to respond to this and then make the changes myself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jacob2718 (talk • contribs) 16:55, 10 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Plot Summary[edit]

The plot summary for "The General" needs a major overhaul, it sounds as if 9 different people wrote it haphazardly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.122.84.116 (talk) 11:26, 28 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

OK. I made maybe not a "major overhaul", but I attempted to clarify some things (btw I've read the book). I noticed that it said in the first paragraph that bel riose led the empire. He may have represented the empire on some levels, but leading is a bit far fetched. Ducem Barr wasn't even included (wtf?). Neither was Brodrig although I couldn't figure out how to include him in the summary. I wouldn't say that I fixed the article, but it needs a change. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.29.66.88 (talk) 20:53, 5 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Addition of ISBN from Wikidata[edit]

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