Talk:Fourpence (British coin)

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Did you know... that the British fourpence was known as a "joey" after MP Joseph Hume, who spoke in favour of its introduction?

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I always thought a joey was threepence (a threepenny joey)but I do accept I could be wrong..... sorry I can't find a tilde on my keyboard — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.77.166.26 (talk) 09:50, 27 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

They were both known as joeys. The threepence effectively replaced the fourpence and the nickname transferred from one to the other. Retroplum (talk) 18:38, 9 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Doublet: merge?[edit]

We have an article Groat (coin) and an article Fourpence (British coin), both on the same denomination; why don't we combine them? J S Ayer (talk) 00:41, 4 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, maybe. However, there's an inconsistency at the moment because some denominations used pre-1707 and post-1707 have separate articles and some denominations have a single article. I'd prefer if the issue was settled one way or the other before making any mergers. Retroplum (talk)

Redirect mess[edit]

I originally mentioned this at FAC, but it's not really an FAC issue so moving it here. We've got a mess of confusing redirects and dabs right now:

Fourpence -> Groat (English coin), with a hatnote leading to Groat
Groat is a DAB page which contains Groat (coin), but that's a redirect to Groat (English coin)
Grote (disambiguation) has a "see also" for Groat (disambiguation), which redirects to Groat

None of those get you to here, which seems like the obvious place you should end up if you type "fourpence" into a search box. I'm inclined to think Fourpence should be a DAB page listing Groat (English coin) and Fourpence (British coin). And for sure, the various DAB pages should not contain title that redirect. I'm not familiar with coinage, so rather than be a bull in a china shop, I'm just raising the issue here. RoySmith (talk) 16:46, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've had a go at it. Wehwalt (talk) 18:19, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And I'm still trying to figure out how Fourpence (British coin) and Groat (English coin) are not the same thing. RoySmith (talk) 18:21, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Most denominations of British coinage which go back earlier than 1707 have an (English coin) and (British coin) disambiguation, with the line drawn at 1707. This allows modern coins, which are more widely collected than earlier ones, to have their own articles. An example Sovereign (British coin) vs. Sovereign (English coin).==Wehwalt (talk) 18:28, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, that's confusing, at least to somebody like me who only vaguely understands that English, British, and UK (not to mention Great Britian) are not all the same thing, but couldn't begin to tell you how they differ. RoySmith (talk) 18:31, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, pre-1707, there was also a Scottish groat. So there's good reason to treat the monetary systems of the original countries and the UK (i.e., post 1707) separately. Wehwalt (talk) 18:33, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]