Talk:French Guianese Creole

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Name[edit]

This name issue needs to be sorted out.

Currently there is a large variety of names including: French Guianese Creole in Jennings (2009), Fisher (2015), Migge & Léglise (2010) and Collomb & Renault-Lescure (2014); Guyanais in Holm (1988: 380), Winford (2005: 325) and Pfänder (2013); Guianese Creole in McWhorter (2000), Collomb & Renault-Lescure (2014) (which also uses French Guianese Creole), and Valdman (2015); Guianese French Creole in Haspelmath & Dryer (2015), Siegel (2014) and Renault-Lescure (2009); Guyanese French Creole in Déprez (2007), Syea (2017) and Fauquenoy (1974); and Cayenne Creole in Jennings (1998) and Degraff (2009). Some scholars even have their own names for them, such as French Guiana Creole (Goodman 1964), and French Guyanais (McWhorter 1995; 2000; 2018: 125).

But no one uses Guianan Creole for this language; really, very few people use "French Guianan" at all (it gets a fraction of the hits that "French Guianese" gets on Google). It makes Wikipedia look out of touch to use it. French Guianese Creole is the most used name in modern sources, with Guianese French Creole a close second. Let's just pick one.UWIdico (talk) 19:02, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The article was moved from French Guianese Creole to another title in 2016 by User:LeGuyanaisPure, and in 2017 to the current title by the same user with the comment "Change This to the official name of This creole !". Except in rare cases, Wikipedia uses the most common name in English. I'll move it back to French Guianese Creole shortly. - BilCat (talk) 20:26, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Done - BilCat (talk) 20:29, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@UWIdico: The official name and most used in French Guiana, France, Suriname and Guyana is indeed Guianan Creole, it's this name that the government of French Guiana and the associations of preservation of Guianan Creole have chose to give this, because the other name (French Guianese Creole or Guianese Creole) was too close to the name of the Creole of Guyana(Guyanese Creole), so it took another to avoid the usual confusion that are made by the populations of the regions and countries cited above. And then @BilCat:, you tell me that (French Guianese Creole) is the most used name on Wikipedia yet, look at the name of it's articles below :

Guianan Cuisine
Awara broth (look at the name of the language in the article)

Meta wiki, incubator & others
- Look in request for a new Wikipedia language (the name of the article is Guianan Creole)
- Talk About Guianan Creole (look at the section about Guianan Creole)
- Guianan Creole (Guianan Creole Wikipedia)
- Category: Guianan Creole

And all the other items that I forgot. It is true that for the most part, it's me who modified, but you see well that I'm not the only one to use this name.

And then @BilCat: why do you believe in the assertion of someone who made only ten changes on Wikipedia, and who is new on Wikipedia, while I've been editing for more than three years the English, French & Guianan Creole Wikipedia ??

You don't find it a bit weird, it comes out of nowhere it changes language names like that, and even the language name in the language("Kréyol Gwiyanè" no it's Kriyòl Gwiyannen). For information I'm Guianan, I live actually in French Guiana, I work as a university professor, I learn this language to my students since 5 years now at the university of French Guiana and I study this language individually for more than ten years, so just believe me, if I tell you that is this name that one uses in the regions concerned, it is that I know what I say, more over I don't see why I would lose my time to change the name if it wasn't really the most used...! LeGuyanaisPure (talk) 15:28, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The point is not to use the most commonly used name on Wikipedia, but to use the name most commonly used by reliable sources in English outside Wikipedia. If you believe that the official name is more widely used by such sources than the current title of this article then you need to back up that claim with links to reliable sources, such as books from well-established publishers and peer-reviewed academic papers, and searches for such sources. The raw numbers produced by Google Books and Scholar searches for "French Guianese Creole" [1][2] seem to far exceed those for "Guianan Creole" [3] [4], so I think you will have a hard time persuading people that the latter is more commonly used. Phil Bridger (talk) 16:05, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]