Talk:Funeral of a Mummy on the Nile

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WikiProject Ancient Egypt to-do list:

Needed articles.

We should have an article on every pyramid and every nome in Ancient Egypt. I'm sure the rest of us can think of other articles we should have.

Cleanup.

To start with, most of the general history articles badly need attention. And I'm told that at least some of the dynasty articles need work. Any other candidates?

Standardize the Chronology.

A boring task, but the benefit of doing it is that you can set the dates !(e.g., why say Khufu lived 2589-2566? As long as you keep the length of his reign correct, or cite a respected source, you can date it 2590-2567 or 2585-2563)

Stub sorting

Anyone? I consider this probably the most unimportant of tasks on Wikipedia, but if you believe it needs to be done . . .

Data sorting.

This is a project I'd like to take on some day, & could be applied to more of Wikipedia than just Ancient Egypt. Take one of the standard authorities of history or culture -- Herotodus, the Elder Pliny, the writings of Breasted or Kenneth Kitchen, & see if you can't smoothly merge quotations or information into relevant articles. Probably a good exercise for someone who owns one of those impressive texts, yet can't get access to a research library.

A fact from Funeral of a Mummy on the Nile appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 9 April 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the whereabouts of the painting Funeral of a Mummy on the Nile (pictured) were unknown for more than 100 years?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2024/April. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Funeral of a Mummy on the Nile.

Did you know nomination[edit]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 18:26, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Funeral of a Mummy on the Nile

~~... that Bridgman's painting Funeral of a Mummy on the Nile (pictured) was inspired by the painter's travels to Egypt?~~ Source: Patterson, J.D., [1](Beyond Orientalism: Nineteenth century Egyptomania and Frederick Arthur Bridgman's “The Funeral of a Mummy”), p. 28-34
- ALT1: ... that Bridgman's painting Funeral of a Mummy on the Nile (pictured) was purchased by newspaper tycoon James Gordon Bennett Jr.? Source: Fort, Ilene Susan, [2](Frederick Arthur Bridgman and the American fascination with the exotic Near East. (Volumes I and II)), p. 147
- ALT2: ... that the whereabouts of Bridgman's painting Funeral of a Mummy on the Nile (pictured) were unknown for over 100 years? Source: Patterson, J.D., [3](Beyond Orientalism: Nineteenth century Egyptomania and Frederick Arthur Bridgman's “The Funeral of a Mummy”), p. 36
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- Comment: My first nomination.

Created by CaptainOlimar42 (talk). Self-nominated at 23:15, 6 March 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Funeral of a Mummy on the Nile; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

New enough, long enough and well-written. No discernible policy violations. The image is nice and properly licensed. No QPQ needed as this is the first DYK nomination by CaptainOlimar42. The hooks are slightly problematic; there is an inline citation supporting the sentence providing the fact of ALT2, but not the other hooks. This would need to be addressed if you wish to use them. I would however strongly argue in favour of ALT2, which I think is the more intriguing. The other ones are not immediately attention-grabbing in the way a hook is meant to be, I think. If the nominator is OK with going ahead with ALT2, I could tick this as passed and strike out the other two hook alternatives. Apart from that: nice work! It is a little gem of an article. Regards, Yakikaki (talk) 10:01, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have no objections against going with ALT2, I would agree that it is probably the most attention-grabbing hook, so you are welcome to cross out the other two. Thank you for the kind words (and for the review, of course)! --CaptainOlimar42 (talk) 20:26, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Very well, then it is good to go with ALT2. Yakikaki (talk) 20:47, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dates Don’t Match[edit]

This article appears to say the painting was created 1876-1877 and 1886-1887. Jayscore (talk) 12:49, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I updated all mentions to 1876-1877 based on this reference.

Shannon Karol (February 5, 2020). "Funeral Of A Mummy – Audio Description – Speed Art Museum". Produced by Amber Thieneman. Speed Art Museum. Retrieved April 9, 2024. Tsarivan613 (talk) 17:52, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Location of the funeral[edit]

I know that the Sotheby's page says the funeral is supposed to be in Thebes (Luxor), but I think the article should avoid specifying a location. The version of the painting that is in the infobox could be modeled on the Luxor area, but I don't think the outcrop in the near background fits in there, and at a first glance it made me think of Bigeh, next to Philae. The variant of the painting—which is actually the version that the Sotheby's page is discussing—is obviously Philae, down to the presence of Trajan's Kiosk. Without another source explicitly saying that it's Philae, we can't say that it is, but the Sotheby's page is demonstrably wrong.

I don't think Wikipedia policy has ever specified what to do when a source is wrong except "get a better source", but I've always thought that it's better to leave information out than to disseminate misinformation. A. Parrot (talk) 14:59, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]