Talk:George Sand/Archive 1

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The book "A World History Of Photography" by Naomi Rosenblum dates the portrait of George Sand by Nadar as 1877, not 1864. Which date is correct?

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The Devil's Pool

This novel (or maybe novella?) or Sand's was thought so highly of as to be included in the Harvard Classics shelf of fiction. Yet it is not even mentioned in the article or in this talk page. I have not read it but came to Wikipedia to learn more about it. Why is it not mentioned anywhere in her page, or even included in the list of her works? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.202.160.54 (talk) 03:09, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Wiki French content Please

Hello,

At the bottom of the article there is a reference for the source:

This information has been sourced from the "3ème édition du Dictionnaire Encyclopédique de la Langue Française".

If you have the text in French, it will be good to put it into the French Wikipedia:

http://fr.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=George_Sand&action=edit

Cheers

Problematic dates

Chopin 's article suggets they met in Paris in 1836: Chopin's article says: In 1836 Chopin was secretly engaged to a seventeen-year-old Polish girl named Maria Wodzinska. The engagement was later called off. In that same year, at a party hosted by Countess Marie d'Agoult, Chopin met the novelist George Sand.

but here we read in 1831. I never liked the word meet. firstly met it should say. hopefully someone will check it out and fix it as appropriate

She left her husband in 2010? Well, at least he has four years to prepare himself.

buried where?

These two paragraphs:

She was interred in the Cimetière du Montparnasse, Paris, France.

George Sand died at Nohant, near Chateauroux, in the Indre département of France on June 8, 1876 at the age of 72 and was buried in the grounds of her home at Nohant. In 2004, controversial plans were suggested to move her remains to the Pantheon in Paris.

Seem to indicate that she's buried in two separate places ????

Re the above: I've left a note on the discussion page of the Cimetière du Montparnasse asking if anyone has evidence for the Montparnasse listing. My own research online concludes that she was buried at Nohant and that her remains have been there ever since. InvisibleSun 8/29/05

Deletion of Cimetière du Montparnasse sentence per the above. InvisibleSun 16:42, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Clothing

Although her apparel may already take up too much space, the article omits the reason George Sand gives in Histoire de ma Vie. The cost of men's clothing was substantially less than women's clothing. After she separated from her husband she simply could not afford to maintain a wardrobe appropriate for a baroness. Durova 16:17, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

It also wasn't that unusual for a girl to wear vaguely masculine clothing and she spent much of her time in rural areas. She stuck with it into adulthood and that was vaguely unusual, but there are reasons you mention. Also her "transgenderness" is a bit exaggerated, sometimes by herself as well, as she enjoyed sewing and other "girly" things. I read a bio of her and some other things, but it's been years so I don't know if I could do much with this. Although I might expand portions concerning her early life at some point.--T. Anthony 05:57, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Date of Birth

Hello - a quick google search and the timeline in my copy of "Him and Her" (US, Academy Press, 1978) both indicate George Sand's date of birth to be July 1, 1804. Do we have a reason for this different DOB? --Lizstless 07:13, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

The same in the the french WP ... template "verification needed" gone. -- DLL ^{.. T} 21:56, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Converted to Jewish faith

Could we have a source for this affirmation. It is quite doubtfull to me. Why would a woman from French high aristocracy seeking for complete unconformism (as proved by her subsequent way of life) convert to Judaism ? It does not fit the picture. Moreover I have noticed this information is does nor apprear in the French or even the Hebrew version of this Wikipedia article. -- Orecht 16:12, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

writings notes

Could we get a summary of the themes she wrote about please? brain 05:00, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm trying to add a couple of scathing remarks by Charles Baudelaire about George Sand, is that appropriate and if so in which section? My reasoning is that Baudelaire is influential/famous enough to be relevant. Also, I can't figure out how to get the citation to appear at the bottom of the article or even to be formatted correctly. Bigsatanloaf 19:02, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Now formatted. For subsequent (or even prior) citations to the same source you can now just use <ref name = Baudelaire/> Kablammo 19:12, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Antecedents and relationship

This article currently states: "Sand's father was ... a granddaughter of Maurice, comte de Saxe". This is clearly not right! Could someone clarify please: was she a granddaughter of the Comte de Saxe, or was her father a grandson? Haydn01 16:53, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Looking for French-->English translators

Hi all, the French wikipedia has some articles up on relatives of Sand's that are red links here. Namely:

• Maurice Dudevant Sand - her son
• Marie-Aurore de Saxe - her grandmother
• Charles Louis Dupin - her grandfather (not in the version here)

In addition, several of her works have articles in French too list here.

I hesitate to take a stab at these w/ my paltry command of French. But anyone who's willing and has some time on his/her hands would make a great contribution to this article. J. Van Meter (talk) 16:00, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

(i've listed Maurice and Marie-Aurore at the wiki translation project page. perhaps someone there will take them up. J. Van Meter (talk) 17:15, 26 February 2008 (UTC))

Pronunciation of "Sand" in French

Is the IPA transcription correct? If the "d" is really pronounced as indicated, it would be an exception to the norms of French phonology. While exceptions are certainly possible, it's a shock and surprise to me if this is one! Steve Bob (talk) 17:08, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

dictionary.com lists the pronunciation as [sɑ̃d]. It makes sense because without the d sound it would be confused with a lot of words (cent, sang, sans, sens, etc). Jafeluv (talk) 10:30, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

By the way, it's not unheard of for French proper names to be pronounced a bit differently than "standard" pronunciation - for example, Berlioz is pronounced with a word-final [z] and Moët with a [t]. Jafeluv (talk) 10:44, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Translation of her works into English

This article, and the articles on her notable works, give no indication whether any of her work was translated into English. Since this is the english, not french, wikipedia, it would be exceedingly appropriate to include english language titles, dates, translators here. i have a translation of her childrens stories, published by the Feminist Press, recently. Anyone passionate about this author should try to add some english language editions here and in the articles on works. Merci bien.(mercurywoodrose)66.80.6.163 (talk) 00:37, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Fanchon the Cricket - La Petite Fadette

I was surprised that there was no mention of Fanchon the Cricket in Sand's biography since that appears to be the title of one of Sand's novels in English, at least according to Google Books, and since it (or a play adapted from it) was made into a movie starring Mary Pickford. In The Unseen Bridegroom, or Wedded For A Week, by May Agnes Fleming (1840-80), which is set in the late 19th Century, the play is spoken of as if its plot and characters were quite well known. After doing some research, it appears that the French title of the English Translation that is on Google Books is La Petite Fadette. It appears that Sand's novel was adapted into a play by someone else. Assuming what I've found through research is accurate, I think that at the very least there should be a mention that the book's title (La Petite Fadette) is sometimes listed as Fanchon the Cricket.

If it's true that the play/movie is based on Sand's novelle, La Petite Fadette, then that should probably be mentioned also. Imdb gives writing credit to George Sand.

Is anyone here an expert on Sand's work who can verify what I've found on the internet. Ileanadu (talk) 16:07, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Her name is spelled incorrectly here. It should be Georges - the French spelling has an 's' on the end. -Donna Thomas, Kamuela, Hawaii — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.234.126.90 (talk) 17:54, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Can anyone identify the letter wherein Sand states "wanting you either in your dressing room or in your bed"? French sources on Sand (wiki included) don't mention this interesting statement, so I'd like to read it in French to verify it.204.11.176.29 (talk) 07:46, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Chopin-connected statements

I am concerned by the statement in the Life section that Chopin's death from cystic fibrosis is "debated" gives it undue weight. See my comment on Chopin's Talk page for reasons why: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Fr%C3%A9d%C3%A9ric_Chopin#Information_on_milder_forms_of_cystic_fibrosis

Further, there's the statement that: "The funeral [Chopin's] was attended by over 3,000 people, including Eugène Delacroix, Franz Liszt, Victor Hugo and other famous people. George Sand, however, was notable by her absence.[by whom?]" However, according to the Frédéric Chopin article on WP, in the Death and funeral section, 3,000 people without invitations were excluded from the funeral. Given the rupture in the Sand-Chopin relationship, it seems highly unlikely that Sand would have been invited and just showed good sense in not trying to gate-crash: "The funeral, held at the Church of the Madeleine in Paris, was delayed almost two weeks, until 30 October. Entrance was restricted to ticket holders as many people were expected to attend. Over 3,000 people arrived from as far as London, Berlin and Vienna without invitations and were excluded."

Both statements, as they stand in this article, appear to be exaggerations.

Thank you, Wordreader (talk) 09:32, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

File:George Sand by Nadar, 1864.jpg to appear as POTD soon

Hello! This is a note to let the editors of this article know that File:George Sand by Nadar, 1864.jpg will be appearing as picture of the day on July 1, 2018. You can view and edit the POTD blurb at Template:POTD/2018-07-01. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 03:13, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Picture of the day

George Sand (1804–1876) was a French novelist and memoirist who penned such books as Un hiver à Majorque (1842), La Mare au Diable (1846), and La Petite Fadette (1849). Known as an ardent supporter of the poor and working class, as well as women's rights, she caused controversy in French high society for wearing men's clothing and smoking in public. She was also known for her much publicized romantic affairs with a number of artists, including the composer and pianist Frédéric Chopin.Photograph: Nadar

Her "most famous quote"

Greetings, all. It is true that Sand's "most famous quote" ("There is only one happiness in life, to love and be loved") appears more often than anything else in searches, both in online text and books. Yet, we only have indirect attributions for it, i.e. an author quotes Sand without naming the source of the quote. In so many words, everyone supposedly knows that George Sand said this but I cannot trace the original text anywhere. If Sand did indeed say or write this, where exactly was this said or written? -The Gnome (talk) 09:08, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

The source was apparently a letter to Lina Calamatta dated 31 Mar 1862. See, for example, here. However, the letter itself does not seem to be online. --Epipelagic (talk) 06:02, 14 July 2018 (UTC)