Talk:George Washington University/Archive 2

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Archive 1

Archive 2

Cleanup

Mst48 cleaned-up and organized the talk page on October 26, 2006. If there are objections message him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mst48 (talk • contribs) 16:37, October 26, 2007

Mst48 Total Re-Do

Recently User:Mst48 made some serious revisions to the page (diff). I then reverted or improved some (but not all) of these changes, providing an edit summary (diff 1, diff 2). Mst48 then did a wholesale revert without any explanation whatsoever. I would like to discuss these changes here, since there appears to be a lack of consensus from all parties as to what should be here. I may seem annoying by going through every minuscule change, but the fact is, this user did a wholesale revert of all my edits, indicating they disagree with every last change, so I feel compelled to explain them all--Ybbor ^Talk 16:59, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Stub

These article 37 Kilobytes long. It is not a stub. It has a multitude of sources, and many sections. Mst, I ask you to review our guideline on stubs, which states in part. "A stub is an article containing only a few sentences of text which is too short to provide encyclopedic coverage of a subject, but not so short as to provide no useful information."--Ybbor ^Talk 16:59, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Ybbor, I am a new user on Wikipedia so I do not know how this is exactly works. In terms of stubs I see you have a valid point. I did a major revision of the George Washington University page because it does not seem up to par with all of the other university pages that it compares to like Oxford University and Georgetown University. The page was absolutely dissorganized so I used the Wikipedia: University standard and revised it. -Mst48 ^Mst48 11:21, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Infobox image

Mst wants to use File:GWCOA.jpg, while I want to use the long-used -Ybbor ^Talk 16:59, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

For starters, Mst's image is not appropriately tagged (see the messages on your talk page for more information). Second I feel that the modern logo represents the University today, and it is how the University currently describes itself. Assuming Mst can provide a non-free content rationale, what does everyone else prefer?--Ybbor ^Talk 16:59, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

You are absolutely right, between the two, about I believe that the University Seal represents the university the best and I cannot find a picture of one anywhere. I changed it back to the logo you suggested. Thanks. -Mst48 ^Mst48 11:21, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Public v. Private

GWU is a private school. I point to the college board's listing as a reliable source.--Ybbor ^Talk 16:59, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

You are absolutely right, I will change it as soon as I can. -Mst48 ^Mst48 11:21, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Date linking

February 9, 1821 is not a valid format for linking. Note how the link is red. I think we should link it like we do all other dates: February 9, 1821. I haven't the slightest clue why you feel it necessary to revert this change, Mst. Also, please provide a source for this date . I Assumed good faith and didn't remove it, but we really do need a source for that sort of detail.--Ybbor ^Talk 16:59, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

You are absolutely right, I will change it as soon as I can. Thanks. -Mst48 ^Mst48 11:21, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

A semester calendar

I again point to the reliable source of the college board to verify the calendar is a semester one. This information is useful to compare it with other universities (such as The Ohio State University, which do not use the semester system.--Ybbor ^Talk 16:59, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

You are absolutely right, I will change it as soon as I can. Thanks. -Mst48 ^Mst48 11:21, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Public Transit

GWU has its own metro stop, and I see no reason not to mention that fact. Do you dispute that the Foggy-Bottom-GWU stop isn't a valid means of public transit to GWU?--Ybbor ^Talk 16:59, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Foggy Bottom in lead

I don't see the big problem with this change. It was in there before, why remove it? Foggy Bottom is a neighborhood in Washington DC with its own history and location. It doesn't take up too much space, but really does place the University's location in context.--Ybbor ^Talk 16:59, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

You are absolutely right, I will change it as soon as I can. Thanks. -Mst48 ^Mst48 11:21, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Foggy Bottom Image

Personally, I think the map of Foggy Bottom is one of the highlights of this article. It is pretty much the only one of its kind available, and defines the boundaries of the campus that aren't as readily apparent in non-satellite maps or verbal descriptions. The other candidate is a)unlicensed, so we don't know where it came from, or under what conditions it can be used under (mst, see your user talk page for more information) and 2) if we were to feature Kogan Plaza, I don't think this is the best picture. It doesn't show much of the plaza, and the building in the background is as featured as anything else. I think a shot of the area to left of where the photographer is standing would be much more valuable in that regard. In any case, I feel the map captures the Foggy Bottom Campus much more accurately than the off-center shot of Kogan Plaza.--Ybbor ^Talk 16:59, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

The Foggy Bottom map of the university that I deleted is absolutely, in every single way, innacurate. The Foggy Bottom campus is difficult to put a boundary on because it very much is incorporated into the city. There is a public high school, a public fire department, and millions of single buildings throughout campus that are not included at all in the campus. In the boundaries the map outlines, there is some terrority that does not even belong to the United States in terms of extraterratoriality agreements - for example the Embassy of Bosnia and Hezegovina. My photograph of Kogan Plaza, while it is in a weird way not showing everything, is much more telling than the map because it shows the center of campus in a typical fashion that someone walking to class would see. The brick building behind the cupola is Corcoran Hall, which is the oldest building on campus and the building to the left is Lisner Hall, the main auditorium on campus. -Mst48 ^Mst48 11:21, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

First off, the map is generalized. It would be very difficult to understand if every non-GW building were excluded. However, the way it is now includes all the major facilities, dorms and so on. I used the official campus plan boundaries and included other buildings outside of it, such as the Health and Wellness Center, HOVA, and others. --AW 15:52, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

In addition, the Bosnian Embassy is not included in the bounds. It is at 2109 E Street, which is not inside the boundaries. --AW 15:55, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

MST - you made a few mistakes above; The "cupola" you are referring to is the Tempieto (little temple in Italian). There is a cupola atop Corcoran Hall. Speaking of Corcoran Hall, it was the first building built by GW on University Yard for the Foggy Bottom campus (1924) but it is not the oldest GW building (which is Woodhull House). And you mean Lisner Auditorium, not Lisner Hall (which is the former library and located at the southern end of University Yard). LoyalColonial. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.150.30.196 (talk) 20:21, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Misspellings

Okay, this may seem stupid that I'm going through this point by point, but you're the one who decided to revert these Mst. "eduational" is not a word. "educational" is. "Collge" is not a word. "College" is.--Ybbor ^Talk 16:59, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

You are absolutely right, I will change it as soon as I can. Thanks. -Mst48 ^Mst48 11:21, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Is there consensus for these changes? Mst48, can you explain why you made these changes? Especially why you felt the need to revert corrections of misformatting and bad spelling? --Ybbor ^Talk 16:59, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Ybbor...I am sorry if its a little harsh. While my misspelling and lack of a little information is unfortunate, my whole objective was to make the George Washington article more indicative of the university as a whole. I did not know I was doing a wholesale redit of your work, I just wanted to make it a better article in terms of my viewpoint. I am sorry if that angers you. GWU that has many advantages and dissadvantages, but it is not dissorganized in anyway. Please feel free to change anything, I trust your judgment in making this a professional and great article that better represents such a prestigious institution.

Photography Use and Mst48 Changes

All of the photography that I have added comes from Flickr and I have checked are all under the creative commons license that Flickr has. The edits on this page are making it a really good article. All of the facts (dates, names, etc.) that I have added can be checked under the University Archives [1]. Thanks for the attention to make the article better, I wont make anymore edits. I do have to say it looks much better and more organized than before, I hope that doesn't offend anyone. LoyalColonial - I am actually a student at the university, I am just using common misnomers that students use in daily life - not the formal titles that only administrators and employees use. Mst48 5:41, 22 October 2007 (UTC)]]

Ok, in that case, you need to mark them as such when you upload them. Otherwise they will be deleted. --AW 16:07, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree--this does not appear to be neutral. The Academics>Admissions section describing its GWU's prestige even cites a directory of [20] CollegeConfidential.com, a web forum. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.188.71.242 (talk) 16:49, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Good Article: failed

Sorry, but this article doesn't meet GA criteria. I edited it as I went through, adding comments and {{fact}} tags where appropriate. Let me expand my recommendations here:

Attribution. This was the main problem. I kept seeing blanket statements, generalizations, or cause-and-effect statements (e.g. "Because of the location in Washington, D.C. of the Foggy Bottom campus, the university also has access to a great deal of resources.") that sound like they reflect campus knowledge rather than cited sources. Everything needs to be cited -- every fact, and particularly every assertion of cause, or notability, or generalization (e.g. "Colonials have been very influential in American politics..."). I added {{fact}} tags when appropriate to illustrate these cases -- there were a lot of them.
- Avoid academic boosterism. I found a lot of "prestigious," "renowned," "famous," etc. type qualifiers. The fact that GWU has its own article speaks enough for notability; just rely on the facts rather than empty qualifiers.
Writing problems. There were some basic grammatical or typographical problems; I fixed what I could, but for what I couldn't, I added commented-out pointers. There was a sentence fragment, a lot of missing punctuation, and some un-encylopedia-like informal voice in the article, too. Statements that interject the author's opinions like "It should be noted" should be avoided; try to phrase it in another way.
Manual of Style problems. Most of these I fixed (at least the ones I saw) as I went through, but for your own information:
- Citation style is inconstent; generally the <ref> tag was used (good), but at other times, the URL was just stuck between brackets ([en.wikipedia.org]). Use the <ref> consistently.
- Formatting of <ref>s was often incorrect. Two things: (1) the tag should not be separated from the punctuation at the end of the sentence by a space (e.g. Like this.^[1] Not like this. ^[1]) In addition to the spacing, a I saw a lot of double punctuation, both before and after the tag (Like this. ^[1].).
- Years, if not accompanied by a date, should not be wikilinked (e.g. September 1, 2007 but not "September 2007" or "in 1869.")
  - ElKevbo correctly pointed out on my talk page that this actually isn't in WP:DATE. Even so, it's definitely the predominant style used, probably as an application of WP:CONTEXT. Saying "There was a controversy in 2007" doesn't really help the reader, because the article on 2007 isn't going to have anything about the controversy. Since it isn't a guideline or policy, do what you like, I guess, but I think the standard (if only tacit) is not to link unless there's a reason why doing so would increase the reader's comprehension. Dylan 04:23, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
- You need more than one subsection to have the subsections. I think there was only one instance of this, with "Freemasonry" being the only subsection of "Founding." I just deleted the header, and the information under "Freemasonry" became another paragraph in the "Founding" section.
- Newspapers get italicized (e.g. The GW Hatchet).
- Don't add an external link in the middle of the text if the subject doesn't have an article (e.g. "All student organizations are run through the Student Association (SA).")
Other general thoughts:
- The lead is pretty short; its coverage is okay, in terms of the WP:LEAD instructions to summarize the article, but it ought to be expanded.
- It was only explained at the very end that the mascot/team name is the "Colonials," but the name was used much earlier than that in "Student life." Things like that should be explained; remember, you're writing for an international audience that may not be familiar with the university at all.
- The "Controversies" section of "Student life" seems to give an awful lot of weight to the Islamofascism thing, I imagine because it happened just this past month. This is an article summarizing the 200-year breadth of an institution; this controversy is unlikely to merit more than a sentence in that context (if that). Try to keep a big-picture view of how heavily (or whether) to cover subjects like that.
  - In the same vein, a way to both improve the article and make it easier to manage the big-picture idea is to introduce each subsection with its general importance to the university. For "controversies," I would expect something on GW's history of campus controversies, how it's been a marking characteristic of university for many years. If it isn't, then why is it a section? You did quite a good job of this in "Student organizations and government," which clearly communicated that the major student organizations were political or activist groups due to student culture and the location in D.C.; only problem was, a lot of it isn't cited.
    - Example: I see pretty heavy weight given to basketball; that's fine if it's GW flagship athletic program, but make that clear with a [cited] statement to introduce it as such.
    - Another: "Greek life" -- listing the houses may be appropriate, but what's more important is backing up the "large Greek community and Greek history on campus" part. You should be talking about its influence, how long it's been around, how popular it is (e.g. how many eligible students are members).
- I noticed College Confidential cited once. I think it was the only instance of that sort of thing, but an online forum is definitely not a reliable source.
- The "Admissions" section veers very quickly away from the subject of admissions and into just a profile of the school in general - how many students, faculty, etc. That stuff should be moved to between the "Academics" and "Admissions" sections (some university articles make it a subsection in its own right, usually called "Profile"). In exchange, "Admissions" should cover things like entry statistics -- applications, acceptance rate, median SAT scores, etc., U.S. News & World Report ranking, and any major trends in admission.
- "Notable alumni, faculty, and degrees" doesn't necessarily need sub-sectionizing (it's not problematic the way it is, but it just seems like it could as easily covered as a single section). There's also a lot of editiorializing in it -- "[so-and-so] have also made their mark on the George Washington University culture and character", etc.

I realize that's a lot to chew on, but believe me, if you can address these things, you'll be in great shape for GA and probably FA not long after. If you work all these things in and want to send this back for another GA review, feel free to contact me personally to give it another glance so that you don't have to wait for a month for someone to pick it up. Dylan 03:47, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

The referencing and academic boosterism are good points, and are easy to fix - it's easy to find references and take out boosterism for the most part. --AW 16:32, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Controversy section readded

The whole controversy section was deleted. I sense an attempt to whitewash the fake YAF posters incident. So I put it back in. It is properly, and well-sourced. —Preceding unsigned comment added by HoundofBaskersville (talk • contribs) 18:01, November 16, 2007

Referencing

As the Good Article evaluator noticed, there's a lot of academic boosterism and unreferenced sections. I've done some, let's get to work and make this a Good Article! --AW 17:10, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

That is exactly what I wanted all along when I started this. We are pretty close, I don't know how to add and cite pictures at all. Many of the facts come for the GWU website. Mst48 (talk) 03:10, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

For anybody else who wants to help, it's pretty easy. Basically what I do is google what it is that says "citation needed." For example, the part about Karl Hobbs being animated was easy - "Karl Hobbs animated" in Google and you get a lot. Then I choose some reliable sources (news articles for example) and put <ref>the article's URL</ref>. As for images, that's more complicated, you have to find images that are either public domain or under a Creative Commons license. Flickr is a good source for those sorts of images. You can't just find a picture on a website and use it unfortunately, unless you have permission or they have released it. --AW (talk) 02:43, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Foggy Bottom Map

The George Washington University's Foggy Bottom Campus is generally bound by 24^th Street on the West, 19^th Street on the East, Pennsylvania Avenue on the North, and F Street on the South.

Based on the discussion above, there seemed to be almost no consensus for the map of the boundaries of the Foggy Bottom campus, and many Mst's charges were found to be inaccurate, or at the very least irrelevant. I propose we include the old map that outlined the approximate boundaries of the Foggy Bottom campus (see left), which I feel is one resource that really makes this article unique compared to other information out there about GWU. Is there consensus for this change? --Ybbor ^Talk 16:44, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Well, simply put, your map is wrong. GW owns both 2000 Pennsylvania Ave and 2100 Pennsylvania Ave, which you drew outside the boundaries.161.253.53.74 (talk) 22:03, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Founding Date for GWU SOL may be misleading

On the George Washington University page, it states that the law school was founded in 1825 and is the oldest law school in DC. This may be somewhat misleading. It appears, there was a law school founded there in 1825, but it ceased operations in 1826. The law school which is now associated with George Washington University was founded in 1865. While the initial law school may well be the precursor of the present law school, I feel it needs to be clarified that that school ceased operations after only one year and the present school may be completely different from it. I will also point out that on the George Washington University School of Law page, the founding date is listed as 1865, and the oldest law school in DC descriptor is still applied. It seems the issues need to be clarified and written so that the same information appears on all concerned pages.

Freeman615 (talk) 15:31, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Grad School Rankings

This was removed because it doesn't have any sources, but if somebody could find them it would be good.

"It has a highly ranked^{[citation needed]} law school, The George Washington University Law School. The Elliott School of International Affairs (ESIA) contains many top-ranked undergraduate and graduate programs in international affairs^{[citation needed]}. The School of Business is also highly ranked: #14 in International Business and the 10th best MBA program for women^{[citation needed]}." --AW 21:16, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Just wondering but the quote about the business school being ranked 26th doesn't seem to ring true. Looking up USNWR the Business school is unranked. -MMC 11th Sept 2008

Actually, I think ESIA *WAS* (not is) a National Resource Center in International Affairs. I think it lost this status -- so it should not be bragged about. Have you ever, when walking around ESIA, found this NRC? Never. So take it out until it can be proved to exist. --Enigma —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.191.14.168 (talk) 20:58, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

unexplained image reverts

Someone at GW is using multiple IPs to remove two images I replaced on July 31. Although I'm an amateur when it comes to photography, the images I replaced _(IMHO) were of lower quality. I'm fairly certain who is using the multiple IPs, but their registered account is inactive. I would appreciate some feedback from the reverting (1, 2, 3, 4, 5) IP or to get a third opinion from someone watching this page. APK say that you love me 08:15, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

GW-Georgetown rivalry

An unregistered editor posted this in the article: "Could someone please post something about the GW - Georgetown Rivalry and whether it will be renewed? .... Thanks!" ElKevbo (talk) 22:37, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

"Deus Nobis Fiducia" is not "In God our Trust"

Just saying... it looks to me more like "God is our trust", but that doesn't make sense to me. At any rate, "Deus" is in the nominative case and is therefore the subject of the sentence, "nobis" indicates an indirect object, and "fiducia" is nominative, implying a predicate nominative and the copula. 67.22.209.125 (talk) 04:23, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Yup, that's weird. I changed it to match GWU's own translation as stated on their website description of the seal. DMacks (talk) 05:00, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Hippo

Should something be mentioned about the significance or history of the Hippo? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.70.204.170 (talk) 00:06, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

I believe the school choose the Hippo in the 1990s in order to give the school a better mascot to cheer for at sports games ("go colonials" being a little unsatisfying). There's a statue of a hippo on campus that says something about how Hippos once lived in the Potomac and George and Martha Washington liked to watch them from Mt. Vernon. I don't really have good sourcing for this, however. I also don't think it's really all that important to note.Flyte35 (talk) 22:21, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Honorary degrees

Is it really important to list the famous people who've received honorary degrees from GW? It's not like such people have any meaningful affiliation to the school.Flyte35 (talk) 19:30, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Recommend removing the section. Thoughts?Flyte35 (talk) 16:05, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Removing section after proposing removal one week ago and receiving no opposition.Flyte35 (talk) 17:29, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

New University Logo

GWU spent a ton of money on a new logo that was unveiled a few days ago. Someone should replace the old one at the top of this article. New Logo Paul918 (talk) 18:39, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

While the university's expenses to rebrand itself shouldn't be a motivation for changing a Wikipedia entry, I agree that we need to update the images in the interest of keeping the article up to date. I'll see what I can do. -Mabeenot (talk) 00:17, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

The logo has been updated and moved to its usual place in university infoboxes. The seal has been added to the top of the infobox per WP:UNIGUIDE#Article structure and general consensus on seal placement previously reached at WikiProject Universities. -Mabeenot (talk) 01:20, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for adding the University Seal and the new logo. I'm a new GW employee (and new to Wikipedia) and the lack of the University Seal was a major oversight. -Jonlhussey (talk) 14:03, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

THANK YOU for adding the University Seal to the top of the GW page - it looks great! A big improvement. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.51.122.131 (talk) 19:24, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

How many schools?

Article says "GW is organized into twelve schools and colleges, each with a different dean and organization." Right underneath that there are 11 schools listed. So 11 or 12? Flyte35 (talk) 16:47, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

From this webpage, there appear to be 13 schools, although three are actually subunits of another school: the School of Media and Public Affairs and the Trachtenberg School of Public Policy and Public Administration are both part of the Columbian College of Arts and Sciences while the Graduate School of Political Management is part of the College of Professional Studies (which is missing from the current article). Additionally, the School of Nursing has been omitted from the article. We need to overhaul the entire section at some point. Anyone interested? -Mabeenot (talk) 15:37, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

This message from the dean of the school of nursing says that there are now ten schools.Flyte35 (talk) 02:47, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

US News unranking

I just added a section about the misreporting of admissions data. It is a notable part of the university's recent history and I already cited 8 of many reliable sources that have covered this issue. I am open to discussing editing or moving the section, but it is disingenuous to skim over the issue entirely.Andrew (talk) 03:29, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

It should probably go in the "admissions" section, where the article discusses rankings and already has a line about the U.S. News problem.Flyte35 (talk) 04:05, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

The existing sentence about the incident doesn't cover what really happened according to reliable sources. Here is how it currently reads: "The University is currently unranked by the 2013 U.S. News national university ranking due to a data reporting error." I'm up for moving the section that I wrote, but it should have its own sub-heading and reflect the whole incident. Andrew (talk) 05:11, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

DoneFlyte35 (talk) 20:18, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

GA review

I nominated this article for Good Article status based on its stability and well sourced and complete content. I will be happy to address any concerns about the nomination, either here or on my talk page. Andrew³²⁷ 22:07, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:George Washington University/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Grammarxxx (talk · contribs) 03:37, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi I'm Grammarxxx ^{(What'd I do this time?)} and I'll be conducting this review. At a first look it look's pretty good, hopefully we can get this up to par.

Comments

Lede is very weak, it should be a summary of the main aspects of the article

Decide on a percent style: (per cent; percent; %)?

Many dead links, you can find the list here.

A good amount of the article is unreferenced, with entire paragraphs without citation.

Too many pictures! Use only pictures which compliment the article, no need for every campus building on here. And feel free to have some on the left and just not the right.

Condense the Foggy Bottom section and expand the Mount Vernon section.

Condense many sections of the Student life section, to long and some too short.

In the off chance you're good with Wikimedia, could you change the seal so it blends with the infobox?

Maybe use columns for the Greek Life organizations, instead of just a wall of blue text.

Condense the Men's basketball section and add to the Football section. I know it's been disbanded but I'm sure more can be added than it just saying "they sucked, that's why they're not there anymore".

Clean up the Notable alumni, faculty, and degrees section, instead of just having lists of people maybe organize them into fields or focus on a few.

The Notable alumni, faculty, and degrees section has Alumni, Faculty, but no degrees section?

In the references decide on a style of date: (January 21, 2013; 2013-21-01; 2013/1/21)?

Result

Due to a lack of work, I am now failing this article. Grammarxxx ^{(What'd I do this time?)} 05:44, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

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Cleanup of lede?

It seems to me like a lot of the information in the lede is very cluttered and is not a good simple way of introducing the article. For instance, the information about famous alumni is more or less duplicated in the section on famous alumni that is in the body of the article. Can we rewrite this lede so that it is more in line with the wikipedia article of other universities and colleges? ChunyangD (talk) 13:27, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Mike Enzi

Four-term US Senator Mike Enzi attended George Washington U, and got a degree in accounting there, as noted here and here. Does he warrant a mention in the Notable Alumni section?

Thanks, MoreExtra (talk) 21:15, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

@MoreExtra: Enzi is listed on the List of George Washington University alumni page. Don't really know that he warrants a mention on the alumni section of the main page, he's not necessarily a highly notable or relevant senator. I'd reserve the space for extremely notable alumni, such as heads of state or government, current cabinet members, high profile members of congress, historical figures, etc. Just my opinion. Cristiano Tomás (talk) 23:41, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

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Connection between Columbian College and Columbian Institute?

I wonder if someone would like to help me with a little historical riddle.

There is an article for the Columbian Institute for the Promotion of Arts and Sciences, another for the Columbian College of Arts and Sciences, and a redirect for Columbian College, which leads to this article. I'm trying to establish the exact relationship between the three entities. Tobias Watkins delivered an [anniversary discourse] in 1826 before the "Columbian Institute," which I've been assuming was Columbian College, now the Columbian College of Arts and Sciences at George Washington University, as [this article] says is the case. Since I just found the Wiki article for "Columbian Institute for the Promotion of Arts and Sciences," now I'm thinking the lecture was actually delivered there, for an entity that ceased to exist in 1837 and did not merge into George Washington University.

Might you be able to help solve the riddle? Thank you in advance for the help. I'll update the Tobias Watkins article appropriately. Dugan Murphy (talk) 21:19, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Notable Alumni

Cristiano Tomás, What are your reasons for removing Jennifer Boykin from the notable alumni section at her alma mater? Why did you "undo" revision 1016709762:

"Engineering alumna Jennifer Boykin is president of Newport News Shipbuilding^[2] and vice president of Huntington Ingalls Industries.^[3]^[4]" Shari Garland (talk) 23:40, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

References

^ ^a ^b ^c Cite error: The named reference x was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
^ "Profile: Jennifer Boykin, Newport News Shipbuilding president". Daily Press (Virginia). Retrieved 8 April 2021.
^ "Newport News Shipbuilding president Matt Mulherin to retire". The Virginia-Pilot. Retrieved 8 April 2021.
^ "Jennifer Boykin - Executive Vice President and President, Newport News Shipbuilding". Huntington Ingalls Industries. Retrieved 8 April 2021.

The section is oversized as it is, it needs to be shrunck not enlarged and it should only include highly relevant names. Boykin is hardly notable enough to be included in the main page, but she merits inclusion on the List of George Washington University alumni page. Cristiano Tomás (talk)

Fair enough, Cristiano Tomás. I added her info and photo to the List of George Washington University alumni. Thank you for your polite response. Shari Garland (talk) 01:47, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Balance of Sections

This article spends more time on trivia about the Men's Basketball team than on GWU alumni or faculty. Given that one alumnus has won a Nobel Prize, this does seem absurd. Unless, of course, you think that Yinka Dare's two years here slam dunk the Nobel . . .

And one should not boast of an alumnus of dubious repuation (Lee Kun Hee). GWU actually has many interesting alummi. But are Scott Wolf and Darla Moore these alumni? The first is a minor actor, it seems, and the second's claim to fame is marriage to someone rich who donates lots of money.

The list of current faculty lists one individual who is DEAD (Abba Eban) and is skewed towards visiting profs of evanescent fame. This is the entry for a UNIVERSITY, not a way station for politics etc elsewhwere. GWU does have some well known profs -- why hide them?

--Enigma

This is a wiki so feel free to edit it --AW (talk) 02:30, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Poster censorship

Is the early 2022 removal of posters by the artist Badiucao and the associated actions and comments (e.g., https://thefederalist.com/2022/02/07/brush-with-censorship-at-gw-reveals-americas-vulnerability-to-beijings-soft-power/) of enough significance to be included? Kdammers (talk) 21:00, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

There was a followup that the university isn't actually removing them, so probably not. For example https://www.gwhatchet.com/2022/02/07/no-gw-investigation-of-posters-criticizing-chinese-government-underway-wrighton-says/ --AW (talk) 02:30, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

About moving to the official name "The George Washington University"

"The George Washington University" is the sole official name of the University. It is suggested to move the article "George Washington University" to "The George Washington University". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cfls (talk • contribs) 05:02, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

I propose that we rename this article. What is the procedure for doing that? Should I just move it? Simsong (talk) 22:21, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Copyright problem removed

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Content was added to article by a revert. I've removed the copyrighted material again but in a separate edit from other changes to the article. Redraiderengineer (talk) 05:07, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Controversies

There is currently a controversies section. It has one subject. About the same time, there was another controversy: GW's CSSA objected to satirical art criticizing the Chinese government in the context of the then-upcoming 2022 Olympics. The administration at first sided with the CSSA and then reversed course ( https://www.artnews.com/art-news/news/george-washington-university-badiucao-censorship-1234618494/, https://www.axios.com/2022/02/07/olympic-protest-posters-removed-us-university-chinese-students). It made the news in arts and free-speech media. I think this is probably worth including.Kdammers (talk) 22:13, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

[x-1] Cite error: The named reference x was invoked but never defined (see the help page).

[daily-2] "Profile: Jennifer Boykin, Newport News Shipbuilding president". Daily Press (Virginia). Retrieved 8 April 2021.

[pilot-3] "Newport News Shipbuilding president Matt Mulherin to retire". The Virginia-Pilot. Retrieved 8 April 2021.

[huntington-4] "Jennifer Boykin - Executive Vice President and President, Newport News Shipbuilding". Huntington Ingalls Industries. Retrieved 8 April 2021.

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