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Very good article, but what is the position of children born in Germany to foreign parents who are not entitled to any foreign nationality (eg. because the country of their parents' citizenship operates on jus soli)? I presume they automatically granted citizenship, or do they have to remain stateless for a number of years?! Cambyses 12:49, 3 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Does any country operate on jus soli exclusively? I know the U.S. has jus soli in the sense that anyone born on U.S. soil can get U.S. citizenship, but if a U.S. citizen has a child while abroad, that child can also have U.S. citizenship because U.S. citizenship law isn't only jus soli. User:Angr 12:54, 3 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Good question! I'm not sure if any countries operate only jus soli, but there are certainly many countries which place restrictions on passing on citizenship, so that the situation described above can and does occur. For example, British citizenship can be passed on to foreign-born children only if one of the parents was themselves BORN in Britain - foreign-born or naturalised citizens can't pass on their nationality. My son was born in Germany; he has a British passport because myself and his mother are both British born. However, if HE has children in Germany, THEY could potentially have no citizenship entitlement at all (unless from the maternal side, and many countries don't allow women to pass on citizenship!). Cambyses 13:52, 3 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think in Germany your theoretical future grandchildren will be okay if your son has children with a German woman, because Germany does now allow women to pass on citizenship (since the 1970s I think). But if your son marries another German-born Brit like him, then their children could theoretically be in trouble, although German law probably also provides German citizenship for people in Germany who would otherwise be stateless. I can't believe they'd allow someone to be stateless. User:Angr 14:34, 3 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Since the 2000 reforms, the German-born child of your son would probably be German regardless of the parent's nationality. Incidentally, naturalised British citizens can pass on their nationality, and there are some provisions allowing the children of British citizens by descent to do so Details. There are also discretionary provisions allowing children to be registered as British, the child of two British citizens (by descent) who is stateless might be considered, although the Home Office does suggest that for the 3rd and subsequent generations born overseas, it is not necessarily the United Kingdom's role to resolve statelessness. JAJ 12:00, 5 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The link to the 2005 study is dead, but there is a new 2008 report with lots of interesting statistics. I can read German, but I'm not a good enough translator to redo the stats. Also, my graphics abilities are poor. But if someone were to update the graph with statistics about Auslanders, it would be great. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Danielmartinx (talk • contribs) 15:59, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

8 Years[edit]

Is that 8 consecutive years, or eight total years? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.74.135.134 (talk) 08:42, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Israel[edit]

I could not find any sources for the change made by anonymous on 29. sept 2011, that permission for military service in the Israelian Military Forces was automatically given. No such thing was ever mentioned in any German newspaper to my knowledge. I doubt that this is true... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.4.51.54 (talk) 09:45, 30 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Loss of nationality[edit]

The last Item of "Loss of nationality" hardly makes any sense at all.

"A German child adopted by foreign parents, where the child automatically acquires the nationality..."

I tried reading it several times. If anything it could use a rewrite in a clearer form. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.135.17.191 (talk) 09:21, 26 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

What about laws regarding multiple nationality?[edit]

Is there anyone who can add information about laws regarding having more than 2 nationalities? Thanks in advance! Best, Gilad Singer — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.88.163.243 (talk) 11:21, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Consistency in the term Naturalization - Naturalisation[edit]

The term Naturalization can be written either with -z- or -s-

However I wonder if it would be appropriate sticking to one choice for the sake of consistency. Currently the whole article mixes both versions — Preceding unsigned comment added by Symok2011 (talk • contribs) 06:49, 2 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Fourth Act Amending the Nationality Act[edit]

Could someone with expertise integrate the new Act?

https://www.bmi.bund.de/SharedDocs/pressemitteilungen/EN/2021/06/law-german-citizenship-for-victims-of-nazi-persecution.html

Thanks for noticing this new piece of German legislation, and for posting here. I have added some new text and reference dealing with this announcement. Boy.bowen (talk) 15:23, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Reviewer: Sims2aholic8 (talk · contribs) 19:05, 7 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I can see this article has been waiting for quite some time for review, so I'm happy to take this one on. This will be my first GA review as the reviewer, but having nominated many articles for GA in the past I have a good understanding of the process. I plan to read through the article in full over the next few days and will provide my comments then. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 19:05, 7 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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(see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
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  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references):
    b (citations to reliable sources):
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    d (copyvio and plagiarism):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
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A few issues which I have noticed following a full read which require addressing:

  • Per MOS:LEAD, specifically MOS:INTRO, the lead could use some work to include other aspects of the article. Right now it only covers what the current legislation is on Germany nationality/citizenship, but it doesn't cover anything on the majority of the article related to the historical rules and changes over time. The lead should essentially be able to be a stand-alone overview of the highlights of the entire article, and in this regard it is currently lacking.
  • Added two paragraphs to the lead.
  • Is there a translation for Schutzgebietsangehörige that could be added? All other instances of German terms have counterpart English expressions, so it seems odd that this one doesn't.
  • Rearranged this sentence to show that translation.
  • The data of naturalised citizens seems to now be out of date, as the reference provided now covers naturalisations which occurred in 2021. This should be updated in the article for 2021 based on the reference provided or the reference should be swapped to cover the 2020 details.
  • Fixed.
  • One of the journal DOI numbers appears to contain an error (Renzsch 1989).
  • Huh, don't know what happened here so I just removed it.

All references provided generally appear to be from reliable sources and conform to the formatting guidance. Some of the journals are unavailable to me (behind the paywall or only accessible from an academic institution) but accepting these in good faith, and a check through other sources which are open to me shows no cause for concern. No copyvio or OR detected, and all other aspects, incl. the writing quality, broad coverage, neutrality, stability, and illustration have been met.

Placing this article on hold until the issues above have been remedied. Please ping me if you have any questions. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 23:00, 7 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • @Sims2aholic8: Thanks for taking the time to go through this article, I've gone ahead and addressed your points. Let me know if there's anything else that should be tweaked. Cheers, Horserice (talk) 11:56, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thanks for making those changes, I'm happy with how these turned out. Another read through there hasn't brought up anything further so I'm happy to pass this article now. Great work! Sims2aholic8 (talk) 15:58, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Double-citizenship claim needs source[edit]

I understand the following sentence of the article as suggesting unofficial practice in the Behoerden differs from official policy; it's plausible, but I've never heard of it. Can anyone find an appropriate source for it?

> Although non-EU/Swiss naturalisation candidates are expected to renounce their previous nationalities, the majority are granted permission to retain their old statuses. 2A0A:A549:9C68:0:55AE:46DE:135A:EB98 (talk) 07:55, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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