Talk:Germanism (linguistics)

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Fascinating piece on one level, but there are next to no citations for verification. One thing I am trying to do here is make all the quote marks double for English terms used in the examples, and to change any from other formats (e.g., italics) to double quote marks. Also doing whatever I can do edit for clarity. --Jlg4104 (talk) 04:02, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The article is a translation from the German Wikipedia. It seems a bit dubious – for example the section deleted here: At this site (in German) it says that the German Language Council selected "Kaffepaussi" randomly from transmittals, without checking anything, and that the Finnish language researcher states that it has Swedish, not German origin. And that it means "coffee break", not "currently out of service". --Cyfal (talk) 01:14, 3 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I wonder if it's worth editing, or should it eventually be put up for deletion? If it's got no verification for practically any item, and now a respected WP linguist comes in and says the Finnish section is false and zaps it, then I worry that the rest is BS, too. Jlg4104 (talk) 04:17, 3 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(See also here on my talk page for some discussion). I'm a bit disapointed after all this work I put into the article, but I couldn't image that the "Deutscher Sprachrat" (German Language Council) made such a publication without any proof – I just started to check that after Yupik's deletion. (BTW, for those who are able to read german here is a link about the Kaffepaussi case, cited by Yupik[1]). I leave the article now as it is, although deleting everything would perhaps be better. --Cyfal (talk) 11:44, 3 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps what is needed is a "verifiable loan words" page, for a list of established examples... I'd hate to throw out the baby with the bathwater here. Jlg4104 (talk) 04:42, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Chinese Section[edit]

Only the first paragraph has something to do with Germanism when the other 2 paragraphs has nothing to do with Germanism, it was more general knowledge of how foreign companies or Chinese translating brands, which apply to almost all foreign languages. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ksquare77 (talk • contribs) 11:23, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Derivations of German words[edit]

The second paragraph (on "false friends" in Japanese) has two problems: 1. How is "ryukku" a false friend? AFAIK it still means "Rucksack" in Japanese, i.e., there has been no shift in meaning at all. 2. The shift in meaning of "baito" (from work in general to specifically a part-time or casual job) should be stated. Also, "messer" is a valid example, but is representative of an entire family of Germanisms ("gipusu", "karute") which are generic terms in German but only used in a medical context in Japanese, historically due to German medical training of Japanese doctors. Perhaps it would be more useful to describe the family here instead of giving an out-of-context example? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.70.84.146 (talk) 02:20, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Turkish Section[edit]

The following are absolutely incorrect: "The physicans educated in Germany used the şivester (from German Schwester) for a nurse. Currently however, mostly the Arabic word hemşire is used. Sibidak from German Schiebedach for sliding roof and Aysberg from German Eisberg for iceberg. The German word Handy for mobile phone (which looks like an English word to German people) is also used in Turkish instead of the native cep telefonu (pocket telephone)." Only the people in Turkish diaspora in Germany will understand if someone says "Handy". I am not sure how these canme about to exist in Wikipedia. Shameful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xommana (talk • contribs) 14:40, 30 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

A Germanism in an article on Germanisms[edit]

"resp." is not an English word, although most Germans seem to think it is. I suspect it comes orginally from French (therefore a "Gallicism", not a "Francesism"!). Even the full form, "respectively" (which is an English word) is not usually the right translation for "bzw.", which anyway is usually used as a kind of "Gummiwort", or a filler, with no real meaning, in German. Maelli (talk) 09:42, 3 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"Vorglühen" and "Glühwein"[edit]

" ... in Norwegian the words vorspiel and nachspiel stand for the consumption of alcoholic beverages before or after a visit of bars or discothèques (German "vorglühen", a quite recent neologism reflecting the use of Glühwein, and "Absacker")."

While I can't say anything about the validity of the claims regarding the Norwegian language (I don't speak Norwegian), I can assert that the explanation for the colloquial German expression "vorglühen" as "reflecting the use of Glühwein" is absolutely wrong. For starters, "vorglühen" can be done with all sorts of alcoholic beverages, not just Glühwein (which hardly anyone in Germany would drink when it is not winter); then, it is much more plausible that the term derives from the pre-heating of the glowplug in a Diesel engine, which process is called "vorglühen" in German. Regards, Klaus Schneider--2601:180:8000:BF:65F1:6BB6:EB5E:280B (talk) 01:39, 24 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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"Aberjetze"[edit]

I doubt that this word is still in common use in Afrikaans. It is mentioned in German and English books and websites, but almost nowhere to be found on Afrikaans-language webpages and in A.-language books (according to Google Books). It is also not present in contemporary Afrikaans dictionaries and newspaper archives. No Afrikaans speaker has ever mentioned it to me, and they all knew/know of my origin. The word might have been somewhat more common during the existence of German South West Africa, but it hardly seems relevant now. --Marcus Schätzle (talk) 17:38, 11 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]