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Errors[edit]

This article was full of factual errors, i made an attempt to improve it but it can get even better by an expert in firearms. I also think that the title makes almost impossible to search as this rifle is mostly known as dutch mannlicher 95. Deadjune1 (talk) 00:04, 18 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The M95 has nothing to do with the Austrian 1895, it was not produced by the Dutch and the cartridge was not "custom" as it was developed earlier for the very similar Romanian Mannlicher. Finally the M95 was not much worse that the K98K, they were both same generation, bolt-action based designs. The main disantvantage was its old cartridge. Deadjune1 (talk) 00:41, 18 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Dutch Artillerie Inrichtingen (Hembrug) did license produce these weapons from 1904 onwards, and the cartridges are not the same as the Romanian ones (see Dutch Wikipedia article). Agree that the weapon is not substantially different from the K98K, but uses inferior 6.5mm cartridges. Also the statement about its exceptionally long service life is questionable: the German army for instance also used Steyr Mannlicher 1895 from Austrian stock (with bigger cartridges, and for low quality army units) in WWII. The apologetic tone of the article does not belong in an encyclopedia: surely the Dutch were outgunned by the Germans, but the design of this bolt action rifle is not the leading cause of that. 83.85.238.86 (talk) 22:40, 11 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Under 'History' the article mentioned that the M.95 armed infantry was easily outgunned by a.o. the German K98. That is untrue. The K98 did not outgun the M.95, but was a peer weapon system, like all European rifles at the time.So I took the liberty to remove the K98 from the sentence, leaving the remainder intact. Grebbegoos (talk) 10:49, 11 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

- Even more so, they weren't outgunned by Germans with MP40s either, as the MP40 was in no way being mass-issued at the time. The Fallschirmjäger attacking Moedrijk, The Hague, and Rotterdam might have had a fair number of them, but still, the main force invading the Netherlands were units of the Dritte and Vierte Welle infantry divisions. The excellent Grebbeberg website (http://www.grebbeberg.nl/index.php?page=schwarzlose-m-08) states that these units were in fact equipped with MG08 and MG08/15s, and I've seen pictures of MG08/15s in use in the Netherlands. According to another excellent Dutch site (http://www.zuidfront-holland1940.nl/index.php?page=persoonlijke-bewapening), only the NCOs were equipped with SMGs on the German side. Honestly, that entire bit should be rewritten. Thom430 (talk) 18:09, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Origin[edit]

In the infobox it is stated that Netherlands is the country of origin. I do not agree. This rifle was developed an at first produced in Steyr. Most of its features are copied from the Romanian M.93 Mannlicher.M11rtinb (talk) 22:33, 16 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This is incorrect, the rifle was developed at Steyr, then licensed to the Belgian Schriever company for sale, which modified the specific model for the Dutch government. I can, and have quoted Dutch sources on this in the article. Thom430 (talk) 18:40, 18 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 18 November 2017[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page moved. A lad insane talk 15:35, 22 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The request to rename this article to Geweer M. 95 has been carried out.

Dutch Mannlicher → Geweer M. 95 – The rifle is officially referred to in Dutch documentation as the Geweer M. 95. This is the native and correct name of this rifle. "Dutch Mannlicher" is a collector name, and in no way official. Furthermore, the native name of a rifle is preferred in other wikipedia articles e.g. the Gewehr 1888. Thom430 (talk) 18:41, 18 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

WP:COMMONNAME. If most sources refer to something as x, but the technical name is y, the article name would be x (for example the article about the main pig in Animal Farm is titled Napoleon (Animal Farm), not Our Leader, Comrade Napoleon, Father of All Animals, Terror of Mankind, Protector of the Sheep-fold, Ducklings' Friend (redirect). I'm not qualified to base an independent opinion on this, but you may be right; "Dutch Mannlicher" gets 67,400 Google hits, and "Geweer M. 95" gets 95,000. Support. -A lad insane (Channel 2) 19:21, 18 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I've moved it. If anyone was really passionate they would have seen the discussion. -A lad insane (Channel 2) 03:20, 22 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.