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Archive 2

Lets just Rename Ghana article Akan article

Users such as Bantekas, Thesunshinesate, MarkMysoe and all his sockpuppets, just to mention a few are really burnt on populating the Ghana article with Akan content. (could they be working together?) Aside populating the article with such bias edits some of them replace "Ghana" with "Akanland", and include statements like ...the greatest being the Akan people , the Akan language is the most important indigenous language in Ghana, the official language of Ghana is Twi, and so the list goes. It is true you can find some diagonal sources on the internet as references but including such content in an article representing a culturally diverse country like Ghana certainly is very insensitive and only God knows the repercussion this could have on us as a people. I would urge you guys to stop this unhealthy agenda. Thank you —Sadat (Masssly)❤Talk☮C☺Email☯ 16:32, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

And Thesunshinesate is repeatedly removing POV maintenance tags on the article whiles refusing to engage in a discussion on talk page, maybe they do not understand why the tag was placed on the article or the implications of removing it on an article with ongoing issues. —Sadat (Masssly)❤Talk☮C☺Email☯ 17:35, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

And I think Thesunshinesate is working with others in a team to promote this Akan Dominance agenda. Whiles threatening me once again he wrote this on my talk page: ...but I and others have spent months developing the article. Maybe you don't know how this works... — Preceding undated —Sadat (Masssly)❤Talk☮C☺Email☯ 17:50, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Wow what a joke typical ethnic nonsense, spare us the drama, you are upset the article mention the Akans but guess what they make of most of the population most of the nations history and culture is influenced by then you can't change the fact, so I suggest you get over your ethnic Wikipedia warfare and inferiority complex. Ghana history and culture will not change because you don't like the Akan. Also stop the crap. They are mentioned only it the context which applies to them. You have done nothing but remove and black sections and disrupt the page. I and others have spent time creating this add. Don't come here with foolish accusations if you're claming I'm a sock report it Thesunshinesate (talk) 17:53, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

I am not going to use abusive language on you as you have on me, you wrote:

get over your ethnic Wikipedia warfare
Don't come here with foolish accusations
get over your inferiority complex
typical ethnic nonsense
you're claming I'm a sock report

If I did that would make me just like you and I am more civilized than that. All I want is for you to begin talking and I'm happy I finally got you to start talking, that is the only way we can make progress rather than refusing to engage. I have no reason to hate any ethnic group in Ghana especially Akans. I certainly have not removed or blacked (I believe you meant blanked) sections and disrupt the page as you have accused me of. You have stated that "I and others have spent time creating this add". Please be reminded that wikipedia is not an advertisement noticebaord and trying to sell a product (including ethnic group) to readers is prohibited. Also, you teaming you with other people as you yourself have stated suggest there is some kind of agenda behind your edits, this also is prohibited. Finally removal of maintenance tags like I already drew your attention to on you talk page is not done, unless the issue at stake is resolved. Please be adviced. Thank you. —Sadat (Masssly)❤Talk☮C☺Email☯ 18:28, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Now you're just going around in circles because your true motive have been exposed. you've created this conspiracy the 'Akan Dominance agenda' just you haven even mentioned what it is. Just because you don't like the fact that the article mentions their contribution to Ghana culture does not mean you can make up stories and false claims about me or othersThesunshinesate (talk) 19:32, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

You come here and claim "I certainly have not removed or blacked (I believe you meant blanked) sections and disrupt the page as you have accused me of". Yet, anyone that looks at you edits history will see that you did. You even removed portions that stated that the Akan languages are the most widely , tell me is there another language group that most of the people speak? So why removed it, if thats not an ethnocentric agenda based edit I don't know what is. Now just looking at what you called you're fabricated conspiracy confirms that your agenda based edits are personal you called it Akan Dominance right? they are the largest in right so in terms of size they are the most dominant. That's what's probably bothering you, you're tribe is not as large is it? Like I said please get over your inferiority complex the history and cultural influences of Ghana will not change because of your dislike of the Akan groups.Thesunshinesate (talk) 19:56, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

If article quality tags are being removed by someone other than the party who placed them, that is I believe a serious problem and could reasonably be taken to one of the noticeboards. Otherwise, I very strongly suggest that the individuals involved seek some form of dispute resolution, like at WP:DRN. I can and will try to take part to the degree I can, although I will be busy at work till Thursday. Also, I believe that policies and guidelines do permit some discussion of individual ethnic groups relative to their prominence in the country as per WP:WEIGHT, there are limits to how much of the discussion should relate to individual ethnic groups which already have separate pages related to them. That sort of thing the people at dispute resolution are there for. John Carter (talk) 20:37, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the info John Carter at this point I will tweak the article and remove repetitions and redundancies. However if the disruptions and warring continue, I will escalated it for further administrative intervention Thesunshinesate (talk) 21:18, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Discussing the Artilce

So aside populating the article with trivia Akan content these are some of the edits users Bantekas, Thesunshinesate, MarkMysoe and others keep pushing into the article;

1. Replacing Ghana with Akanland

There’s nothing like "Akanland" neither is there anything like “Akan kingdom”. It doesn’t make sense to keep replacing “Ghana” with any of these nonexistent terms. Sentences like

...the greatest being the Akan people... , ...the Akan language is the most important indigenous language in Ghana..., ...the official language of Ghana is Twi...

and so the list goes came form these contributors as can be seen in the edit history.

Were in the page did the word "Akan" replace "Ghana" I don't know what your problem is but you keep on exposing you're true motive. Ghanaian history will not change because YOU want to remove akan/ashanti influences no one wants to change the page to Akanland or use the words interchangeably. Get a hobbie.Thesunshinesate (talk) 00:57, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Also did you just write that there is no such thing as Akan kingdoms lol, I can't deal with you. Thesunshinesate (talk) 01:20, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

So the phrases "Akanland" and "Akan kingdom" have been removed. These sentences also "...the greatest being the Akan people..." and "The official language of Ghana is Twi." have also been removed whiles " The Akan language is the most important indigenous language in Ghana." has been changed to "It is also most used indigenous language in Ghana." Very well, lets move on.—Sadat (Masssly)❤Talk☮C☺Email☯ 13:19, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

2. Inclusion of Trivia information
There are so many Akan related excessive information and images contained in the article much of which are duplications (copied and pasted directly) from the main articles of Akan people and Akan language. Such information in my view not only overpopulate the article on Ghana but are totally unnecessary here. I will give examples

(a) Akan refers to the language of the Akan ethnic group and the Akan language in which was and is the most widely spoken and used indigenous language in the Ghana. The Akan language is officially recognized for literacy in Ghana, at the primary and elementary educational stage (Primary 1–3) K–12 (education) level, and studied at university as a bachelor degree or masters degree program...

The whole thing was lifted from (Akan people#Akan language) including the images. A neutral way of putting this sentences if it should exist at all and in my view if you aren't pushing any agenda is to say that "Eleven out of the over hundred languages of Ghana are studied at the postgraduate level."

So tell is which language is manily spoken?Thesunshinesate (talk) 00:59, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Maybe you don not understand the concern here. I am saying that this sentence is trivial and irrelevant given the context.—Sadat (Masssly)❤Talk☮C☺Email☯ 13:19, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

(b) ...Prior to Asanteman having contact with Europeans, trade between Asanteman and various African states flourished due to the Ashantis gold wealth...

Whiles this was copied from Ashanti Empire#Etymology and Origins, the sentence does not impart any significance in the article on Ghana. Misleading reference also, will be removed.—Sadat (Masssly)❤Talk☮C☺Email☯ 17:42, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

3. Use of misleading and/or Diagonal sources
References on some sentences are not contained in the source/link provided and even if they were provided they are twisted and tweaked (quoting the exact words of Thesunshinesate above) to serve the purpose I suspect they are pushing. for example

(a) About 80% of Ghanaians for example speak the Akan language as a first language and second language.

Ghana statistical service does not collect data on such information and I would like to be educated as to how 80% was extrapolated from the census data. Not in reference, will be removed.—Sadat (Masssly)❤Talk☮C☺Email☯ 17:42, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

(b) Ghana has a multicultural society that is predominantly influenced by the ancient kingdoms of the Akan.

The source provided here is a deliberate attempt by the editor to mislead readers (maybe they thought nobody would verify it). It makes mention of the existence of Akan influence on the Ewe heartland of Volta Region, that in itself is highly debatable but let’s agree for now that it is true, however, it is quite obvious that the Ewe heartland of Volta Region does not represent the rest of Ghana’s non Akan population. As such I do not see how this influence apply to the several dozens different ethnic groups.

And user has now replaced sentence with "Ghanaian culture is a diverse mixture of the practices and beliefs of all the different Ghanaian people groups". No further discussion.—Sadat (Masssly)❤Talk☮C☺Email☯ 17:42, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

(c)Prior to colonization by the British empire in the early-20th century in 1902, Ghana was the site of numerous kingdoms and empires; the greatest being the Akan Kingdom of Ashanti.

I wonder how we are able to measure stuff like that.

Historians measure it base on the impact that was made, then according to the history books there were but please tell us who was it?Thesunshinesate (talk) 00:56, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Not in reference provided anyway (only a personal view), will be removed.—Sadat (Masssly)❤Talk☮C☺Email☯ 17:42, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

(d) ... with the Kingdom of Ashanti or the southern part of Ghana being a primary location for mining of industrial minerals and timber.

The southern half of Ghana is not synonymous with the ancient Kingdom of Ashanti

another lie according to this the southern portions of Ghana are associated with them: http://www.fa.indiana.edu/~conner/akan/shape.html#ahist. Isn't kumasi the capital of the Ashanti kingdom in the south of Ghana? oh wait according to you there is no such thing as akan kingdoms Thesunshinesate (talk) 00:17, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

I still maintain that southern Ghana is not synonymous wuth (same as) the Kingdom of Ashanti. Will be removed if a reliable source isn't provided.—Sadat (Masssly)❤Talk☮C☺Email☯ 17:42, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

(e) It is said that at its peak; the King of the Empire of Ashanti, Asantehene could field 500,000 troops, and it had strong degree of military influence over all of its neighbours within West Africa.

A misleading reference. Will be removed.—Sadat (Masssly)❤Talk☮C☺Email☯ 17:42, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

(f) Prior to Akan contact with Europeans, trade between the Akan and various West African states flourished due to Akan gold wealth.

Yet another example of a misleading reference actually pointing us to Meriam Webstersd Dictionary. It is common knowledge that gold became an important commodity in Africa when Europeans began expressing interest in it.

Proof of your lies and ignorance

http://www.pdmhs.com/PDFs/ScannedBulletinArticles/Bulletin%2013-4%20-%20Pre-European%20Gold%20Mining%20at%20Ashanti,%20Ghana.pdf

http://rubens.anu.edu.au/htdocs/surveys/african/ashanti/history.html Akans the Ashanti people have been trading gold in Africa for thousand of yes going back to 5BC with Roman Egypt before European colonization as you claim. you are nothing but an ethnocentric liar who dislike the Ashanti AkansThesunshinesate (talk) 00:12, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

You supplied a misleading reference to this sentence, only now are you compelled to reference it properly. Be reminded that on Wikipedia a lack of information is better than misleading or false information and you have repeatedly engaged in this practice. See WP:Citing sources or ask for assistance if you are unfamiliar with how referencing works. I will go on to replace the false references with the above.—Sadat (Masssly)❤Talk☮C☺Email☯ 17:42, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

In each instance that Akan is mentioned it looks like the they pay more attention to the word “Ashanti” hardly ever mentioning the Fantes, Akyems, or any of the Major Akan blocks in Ghana and Cote d'ivoire. The edit summary would reveal also that the word Akan kept increasing without really improving the article in any meaningful way, that in itself should not be an issue but if the article whiles being hijacked keeps getting tweaked around the word Akan and imparting false information with misleading references then that is an issue. Anybody who is folowing by now can easily spot the motive of these contributors. There has been several requests made by editors(including myself) to semi-protect the artcle but administrators thus contacted so far do not see it necessary and that has caused some contributors to loose interest in editing the article. I would make the request again and I hope it would be taken seriously this time. —Sadat (Masssly)❤Talk☮C☺Email☯ 16:37, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

- - - WAIT! Frist you complained that we mentioned the Akans in article in the frist place now you angry that we only mentioned one of the Akan groups? thank you very much for exposing yourself. Also why should the article mention major blocks of the Akan even the one in Ivory Coast ANOTHER COUNTRY? How is that related to an article about Ghana? Now everyone can see that you just want to quarrel for no reason so you make up pointless stuff if the article had mentioned all the Akan groups then there would really be an "agenda" and you would really have something to talk about. But it doesn't it talks about the Ashanti because they contributed most out of all the others. . The article only mentions what is relevant to Ghanaian history and culture not an Akan agenda as you want to make it seem. So thank you for disproving your own claims Thesunshinesate (talk) 01:42, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Sad! this is why there Africans are backward and there is no progression there because of people like this. The Ashanti are the reason there is a Ghana is the first place! There are listed among the most powerful African kingdoms of all time. They are also among the few who were able to war and defeat europeans in battle. I looked at your page you're from the north your people did not make that much of an impact, so instead of you being proud that you are Ghanian and proud of another Ghanian groups accomplishments you are here backbiting with pure foolish claims. All you African people do is have these foolish tribal warfares instead of building each other up this is a clear examples so instead of the Akans or the Ashanti's the people you are truly addressing here. Instead of their contributions and their accomplishments which helped shape Ghana to be known want to to be removed because it's not you're people. Wasn't the wars against colonization fought by the Ashanti's, wasn't it an Akan who was able to make Ghana the first African nation to become independent? So what is your problem, besides the fact that everything you mentioned is a lie the article does not talk about Akans that much, you just selected the few portions they are spoken of and are just make noise for no reason. Also just so you know you people are all the same Ghanaians 216.165.95.64 (talk) 20:55, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Please note that Wikipedia is NOT a forum. We even have a policy on it: WP:FORUM, and much of your comment is bordering on that. Keep it on topic please. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 21:06, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

As is seen Thesunshinesate is continuing to edit the article without bordering to even respond to the issues raised, maybe they do not fully understand what is going on in the talk page. And as for the editor hiding behind this IP this address (216.165.95.64) I do not have to respond to him since he has no intension of responding to the issues raised in order to reach a consensus but rather resort to the use of derogatory and abusive language. —Sadat (Masssly)❤Talk☮C☺Email☯ 21:36, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

I can spend time to refute your claims one by one but I won't I can't take you seriously. Just tell me which native language in Ghana is spoken more than Akan? Which is the largest group? Which you can not write an article about the USA without talking about native americans. The Akan states are the foundation of what became Ghana, the Ashanti is the largest their people , culture and language is prevelant because they make up the wast majority of the population. Get over your inferiority complex and spare us the lies and drama. I'm done wasting my time on youThesunshinesate (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 00:54, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Please make your responses here

If we are to make progress on this then I think Thesunshinesate would have to tone down his language. I try as much as possible to discuss the article only and not be engaged in personal attacks, I am rather surprised that the arbitrators involved would look on whiles he repeatedly use that kind of language. In responding to the concerns (the editor does not have to but) it would be easier for all to follow if he addressed them in the right ordering as I labeled them, it can get a bit confusing if we do not know which one it is that is being addressed at any point in time. Thank you. —Sadat (Masssly)❤Talk☮C☺Email☯ 00:38, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Full protection for 8 days

Due to recent edit warring, I've full protected the article for 8 days.

Let me be perfectly clear on a few points. First, edits that do not fit the criteria at WP:VANDAL are not vandalism, and reverting edits and calling them vandalism WILL get you blocked. Next, no one needs to be doing multiple reverts. Use the talk page. I'm tiring of page protection, and next time I may be forced to get 1RR coverage on this articles, so anyone that reverts more than once will get blocked. I'm not an expert on the topic here by any means, but from what I've seen, there is merit to both sides of the dispute, so either work it out here or take it to WP:DRN, but the tolerance for edit warring on this article is now officially non-existent. Now stop calling each other names, stop accusing each other of POV, act like adults and work it out. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 22:48, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 27 June 2014

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The table on SETTLEMENTS regarding the population sizes of the cities of Ghana are completely erroneous.

For example, Kumasi is NOT the largest city in Ghana. That table is giving data on population sizes of the regions, NOT the capital cities of the regions of Ghana.

Consequently, the population sizes of other cities are outrageously improbable.

72.192.240.68 (talk) 11:42, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Not done: Sorry, you need to be more specific about what you want changed. We need actual numbers for the cities, and reliable sources to back them up. And you also need a consensus to make your changes. Once you make a more specific proposal, leave a few days for people to comment on it, and if there is a consensus (or if there is no opposition) please reactivate the edit request template. Best — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 12:20, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Religions in InfoBox

In the main info box the religions of the Ghanian people are listed as: "71.2% Christian [4], 5.2% Atheist / Irreligion, 23.6% other [4]." Looking to the citation the writer used (http://www.statsghana.gov.gh/docfiles/2010phc/Census2010_Summary_report_of_final_results.pdf) it says on page 6, "Table 16 shows that 71.2 percent of the population profess the Christian faith, followed by Islam (17.6%). Only a small proportion of the population either adhere to traditional religion (5.2%) or are not affiliated to any religion (5.3%)." I specifically came to this page to find out how much of the Ghanian population was Muslim and I have difficulty understanding why 17% of the population would be lumped into "Other" while 5% would be listed. I suggest the info box be amended to state, "71.2% Christian, 17.6% Islam, Atheist or Unaffiliated 5.3%, Traditional Practices 5.2%." Those 4 cover 99.3% of the Ghanian population and are more accurate to the cited article. If the list needs to be shorter it should at least be, "71.2% Christian, 17.6% Islam, 11.2% Other," which will show the 2nd largest practiced religion in Ghana. Rgs25 (talk) 16:20, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Dispute resolution noticeboard

The recently filed WP:DRN case has been close due to inactivity. If disputes remain you may look at WP:DRR or WP:DR to see a summary of other possible dispute resolution forums you may find useful. Good luck.-- — Keithbob • Talk • 00:56, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Czech mistake and edit war

I came here to see if the article should mention the recent mistake at a Czech airport where a Ghanaian student who coughed was taken and placed in a black plastic bag and mistreated simply because they saw that he was African and thought he had Ebola, but I came across the edit war and it is of course by non other than Sadat also known as user Masssly, He is the reason I swore to never edit on Wikipedia again, all his edits are made to make Islam his religion and African groups which he is affiliated appear in a positive light. Just look at his edit history. I mentioned this last year in an Islamic related article and he said I was personally attacking him and had me blocked for 24 hours. This user has no proof or sources so when you mention it he calls it a personal attack. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.108.30.221 (talk) 17:17, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Just as I said he got busted for edit warring so now he wants to get be in-trouble because of it by accusing me to be a sock. What a shame! 150.108.30.221 (talk) 18:30, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Pictures are being used A LOT

Hi, I'm new to editing the Ghana page but it seems to me that this and many other Ghana related pages have lots of pictures. I'm all for supporting whatever group consensus there is about the this. My first thought is that maybe there are a lot of pictures because Ghanaians may only speak a limited amount of English, despite it being the official language and the pictures are intended to show the readers what is being described in the text. I also see that the national language's page (Akan) is extremely brief so this might help to explain the dependence on the English page for native Ghanaians (if it is being used by them at all). Anyway, I'm not opposed to using lots of pictures but is there any sort of consensus around this issue on this or any other Ghana related page? I would hate to be the one who starts deleting these pictures if they are there for a good reason. Thanks for the help!-Monopoly31121993 (talk) 12:59, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Thesunshinesate has just accused me of vandalism for removing the 800px images posted by a blocked user. There are several problems with these images. 1, we don't know if they can be legally used on Wikipedia since the user who created them is blocked, 2, the information on them is false, eg. the high-end housing shown in the real estate image is actually just the side of a hotel not high-end housing, and the same is true for the minerals image. I hope this can be worked out and I'm still hoping some people will contribute ideas to my points above about the images on this page. I've tried to keep an open mind about how to do this but being tagged for vandalism by Thesunshinesate on my talk page is absurd.Monopoly31121993 (talk) 14:17, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi Monopoly31121993 Thabks for passing by and your concerns. Just to make this clear English is the official language of Ghana and not Akan. Now back to the main topic. Let me say I visited this talk page to actually leave a notice about the OVER addition of images to this page. I see you also think and it's the fact. The imags are just too much. They are mostly added by new users and tip them to be coming from Ghana a specific computer/IP. Don't hate to be the one deleting them. Be bold. :-).

Am coming by your talk page to see what Thesunshinesate says. Regards. →Enock4seth ^(talk)

As much as the inclusion of images breahtes life into articles, it must be done with caution. If images must be included at all they must be relevant to the section that is involved, a lot of images in this article I notice do not serve that purpose.—Sadat (Masssly)❤Talk☮C☺Email☯ — Preceding undated comment added 12:01, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Intro formatting issue

The intro section appears to have been formatting incorrectly, and is consequently displaying weird. I have no idea how to fix such a thing unfortunately. 206.45.22.106 (talk) 16:26, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Konkomba

I looked at the source provided by the IP editor in today's edits and can find nothing related to Konkomba or even ethnicity in general. I dug into the pdfs and online datasets. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 06:13, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

Removed dubious claims from the Lead

The lead of the article contained so many false claims, which i have removed. Here is a list of all i removed and the explanation for the removal:

"first African nation to declare independence from European colonisation" - I changed this to "sub-saharan" african (even though I'm still not sure of this), cos Egypt, Libya and so many other North African Country got their independence from Europe looong before Ghana.
"This made the country a symbol of black achievement and an inspiration for African independence movements. It also had a major influence on Pan-Africanism and the Black Pride movements in the United States of America" - This is obviously a sham cos the black pride movement has been around long before Ghana's independence. To top it all, the citation just like the claim is a sham, as it is basically talking about Kwame Nkrumah and what he did, not Ghana...and it doesn't talk about Ghana championing "african independence movement" or "pan africanism" and all sort that was written either.
"Ghana is one of Africa's most developed countries, performing favorably in indexes of governance, stability, peacefulness" - I clicked on the citations, couldn't find this claim. And I find this too much a dubious claim to leave the claim with a citation tag.
"GDP is one of the fastest growing in the world" - This is obviously not true (Ghana is number 60 on the list), and the citations do not support the claim.
"In terms of purchasing power parity per capita income, Ghana has the highest per capita income in the subregion of western Africa, and the tenth−highest per capita income on continental Africa. Ghana is one of only five countries in Africa with a free press." - these weren't cited. The fact that Nigeria (another west african country) alone has a higher gdp per capital (both PPP and nominal) than ghana, makes this claim untrue! And also makes others with it to be suspects.
" It is one of the world's largest gold and diamond producers" - tagged this with a citation tag
"Ghana's growing economic prosperity and democratic political system has made it a regional power in West Africa and on continental Africa" - while Ghana is a regional power in west africa, it is not on a regional power on continental level! So I removed that; claim not present in the cited source as well.

All these discrepancies have made me to spot check the article, and it all seem so unneutral! I can't possibly fix this article alone, so I'm tagging the article with neutrality tag.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 20:28, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

so many issues with this article

"middle-class luxury villa house" simple makes no sense unless "villa house" does not mean "villa" or middle class is not used in socio-econ sense of English today.

Various inconsistencies plague the "history" paragraphs.

An historian, svp ?

99.251.239.140 (talk) 00:38, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 19 September 2015

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Withdrawn. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 00:38, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

(non-admin closure)

Ghana → Republic of Ghana
Ghana (disambiguation) → Ghana

– No WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. "Ghana" can also refer to the unrelated Ghana Empire. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 20:48, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

Oppose BMK (talk) 23:45, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

"Ghana is geographically closer to the "centre" of the Earth" ?

should be centre of map not earth! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.75.0.92 (talk) 03:33, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Military

The military of Ghana may be relatively professional, but it is small. To call Ghana a "regional power and regional hegemon" is unjustified.Royalcourtier (talk) 07:12, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

Who the hell is King Obuya?

"King Obuya once ruled Canada for 200 years...a drastic turning point in both countries histories."

That is not true. Canada shares the same royal family as the United Kingdom and is part of the British Commonwealth. You can ignore this King Obuya nonsense.

Ignore? That sounds like a blatant vandalism that needs fixed immediately! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.125.59.221 (talk) 01:31, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

Media upload of historical photographs of Ghana

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The lyrics to the national anthem have been defaced

If you play the anthem on this page, it is clear that some prankster has altered the lyrics to give it a more derogatory meaning. If someone has the actual lyrics, please make the correction.160.152.4.181 (talk) 09:31, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for noticing, it has been corrected. Regards Mahveotm (talk) 09:46, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

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doing some cleanup

mainly a copy edit, perhaps wikilinks. Probably not going too deep as in West Africa I mainly work on French-language countries, since I speak that language and most en-wiki ppl do not.

Question:

"The Narcotic Control Board (NACOB), in collaboration with an internal counterpart, has impounded container ships at the Sekondi Naval Base within the Takoradi Harbour. These ships were carrying thousands of kilograms of cocaine..."

but the NACOB is internal? going to delete the mystery reference to the mystery counterpart. I have no objection to someone putting it back if this is better explained. Thanks. Elinruby (talk) 10:23, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

Religion section: removal of DHS data

Hello, folks. I've removed the column for the 2014 data collected under the DHS survey. This survey was nothing like a census of the entire nation, nor was it intended to measure the distribution of religious practices throughout the nation. Instead, it was a survey of a few thousand Ghanaians that asked about various health-related practices. The survey asked about religion only for the purpose of checking whether certain practices were more or less prevalent amongst the adherents of particular religions. And the survey restricted itself to people in a certain age group, and thus did not even attempt to find the distribution of religion amongst the young or old.

In all, this data is not appropriate for placement in a top-level article that purports to give data for the entire population. NewYorkActuary (talk) 13:51, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

I appreciate that you explained your position. The DHS Surveys are designed to be representative of the national population; and while it's true that they only survey a certain age segment of the population, that can be dealt with in a note. It's substantially more recent information, so I don't see why it isn't helpful, even if some readers will regard the Census data as more reliable. I've reverted and added a note, hopefully that addresses your concerns. Gabrielthursday (talk) 23:48, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

Weird subtitle in the anthem

In the national anthem, the subtitles in the anthem are so weird. Here's an overview from the subtitle editor.

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00:00:00,000 --> 99:00:00,500

troll

The subtitle is only "troll" until the end of the instrumental file. I don't know who edited like that, but since i am not good at editing subtitles - please anyone edit it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by E1123f (talk • contribs) 07:19, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

"Weapons of mass destruction and tactical nuclear weapons"

I have removed the "Weapons of mass destruction and tactical nuclear weapons" section. It was pure original research. There was nothing in the sources [1][2] that had anything to do with nuclear weapons beyond "Orphaned research reactors in a dozen countries around the world, including Libya and Ghana, contain highly enriched uranium sufficient to make a number of nuclear weapons" in a Boston Globe op-ed. Storing some HEU is not enough to warrant a sub-section on nuclear weapons, much less one hypothesizing on nuclear-powered warships. Huon (talk) 08:25, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

The Article Could Be Better

This is why I put on the clean up tag. It's pitifully short — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.198.210.30 (talk • contribs) 18:17, 12 June 2006 (UTC) (Please sign your comment with 4 tildes.)

No mention of African settlers

there could have been mention of the migration of the Fante, Ga, Ewe etc in the article. The are all part of the History of Ghana if not it in completion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.34.75.46 (talk • contribs) 08:10, 9 July 2006 (UTC) (Please sign your comment with 4 tildes.)

Copyright Things I think

The first paragraph in the Economy part is from here:https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/gh.html#Econ — Preceding unsigned comment added by DarkSider01532 (talk • contribs) 00:22, 27 April 2007 (UTC) (Please sign your comment with 4 tildes.)

"TRIBAL EMPIRE???"

What exactly is meant by a "tribal empire"? For this is how the Ashanti Confederation has been described. Ashanti was a confederate state, with a capital, an army, a literate class (in Arabic), actual towns and cities, a multi cultural peasant base and international relations. Where does the tribal come in? Tribe?Ethnicity?French?Akan...Do you mean "Nation", as in "nation state"; an Akan nation state??? This colonial discourse (tribal, primitive...etc) really confuses the historical narrative! Honestly at this piont we are beyond nationalistic reproach, now we just want to speak a common language; what is a "tribal empire"???

please change it. And also I advise that you add or expand sections about the economic sturucture of the Ashanti state, its urbanism (description of its cities, see Connah) and a greater elucidation of its provincial division and political structure.

thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Khalil.djalal (talk • contribs) 21:08, 21 June 2007 (UTC) (Please sign your comment with 4 tildes.)

As an Ashanti/akan, I am absolutely enraged that you would refer to the Empire of Ashanti as a "tribal empire. Wtf is a tribal empire? Is that what you call britain, france, wtf is that. They are STATES, not tribal empires. I suggest that you people pick up books and actually educate yourselves about Africa before you post shit in an encyclopedia that i formally respected. (Wikipedia). I will proceed to fix the inaccurate insults in this artice, but i suggest that you people educate yourselves. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.114.6.117 (talk • contribs) 21:06, 1 August 2007 (UTC) and edited by 71.114.19.176 (talk • contribs) 07:04, 16 September 2007 (UTC) (Please sign your comment with 4 tildes.)

Turkey?

This statement appears in the article and although it includes a source, there is nothing in the source text related to this statement. Since Turkey did not exist during the 11th century or prior, I'm pretty sure this is just made up.

"Until the 11th century, Turkey invaded Ghana and the majority of modern Ghana's territorial area was largely unoccupied and uninhabited by humans." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmconeby (talk • contribs) 00:03, 23 September 2017 (UTC) (Please sign your comment with 4 tildes.)

Mixed Heritage?

  The vast majority of Ghana's population—98% percent— identify as Black Africans despite the majority of the population having some type of mixed heritage.[176][177][178]

None of the linked references back-up these two claims, which are broad unsubstantiated opinions. That either 98% identify as Black Africans, or that the majority of the population has "mixed heritage". Mixed with what exactly? The article does not say, nor do any of the references. This sentence should be removed unless someone can reverify its claims. MarshallMolasses (talk) 01:43, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Slave Trade / Slave Coast

I was quite confused when I did not find the words 'enslaved' or 'slave' on this Wiki-page, just like these two commenters before me on 1 October 2011 and 1 April 2014. Can someone elaborate on that subject? There are some links to wiki-pages in the section Ghana#European_contact_(15th_century), for example to Dutch Gold Coast and Gold Coast (British colony) where the term 'slavery' is an important part of the page. It can't be avoided in the wiki-page about Ghana. Can anyone elaborate on this subject on this wiki page, or explain why it isn't mentioned? Laurier (talk) 11:01, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

Cleanup of old talk-sections?

Hi, I checked the history of this talk page and added usernames/IP-addresses and dates to the unsigned comments. Some of them are quite old, as you can see. Should they be moved to the archives? Thanks for your help. Laurier (talk) 10:52, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

In my opinion, there is no reason to archive a talk page as short as this one. Just let it be.

I also don't understand your most recent edit, in which you inserted the entire "Slave Trade / Slave Coast" section below, including comments from two other users. Where did those comments come from? Mgnbar (talk) 16:34, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

If you had seen these two pages Talk:Ghana/Archive 1 and Talk:Ghana/Archive 2, your response would probalby be different. I overlooked those links in the box at the top of this page too, at first. :-) Laurier (talk) 19:52, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing out the archives. I cannot find those two users' comments in the archives. And if they are in the archives, then why should they be here also? I've never seen archive use like this. That's why I'm confused. Mgnbar (talk) 13:45, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

They are in Archive 1. I retreived them because one can't (isn't allowed to) edit the archive-pages, and there never has been a sufficient answer to those two comments, and it seemed important to add my comments to theirs. Laurier (talk) 13:49, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for explaining. As they are presented on this page, the second post seems like a response to the first, whereas it was not in the original. I would have started a new talk page section, providing links back to those posts as evidence of an ongoing problem in the article. Anyway, you have answered my questions. Mgnbar (talk) 14:06, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Yes, that is a good solution, thank you! I edited my other comment now. Laurier (talk) 06:51, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

A Peacefully established nation

Quote: "The Gold Coast region declared independence from the United Kingdom on 6 March 1957 and established the nation of Ghana.[13][14][15]"

That seems kinda rare. Shouldn't this bloodless non-violent independence be emphasized more? ...and how they did it? American and French independence are big (well known) stories.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CFCE:1EE0:41A8:E805:53C7:6854 (talk) 17:17, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

Ethnic groups ==

the list of ethnic groups adds up to 106.2% 09:24, 13 June 2019 (UTC)~ Noel Ellis — Preceding unsigned comment added by Noel Ellis (talk • contribs)

Names and percentages of ethnic groups

So what's with these edits? An anonymous editor changed the names and percentages of a few ethnic groups, with no justification. I'm worried that these edits have been lost in the shuffle. Mgnbar (talk) 02:04, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

Now 16 regions

Source for names: Know the 16 regional capitals of Ghana --Stalfur (talk) 17:44, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Ghana

Ghana was named after the medieval west African Ghana empire.It was formerly named gold coast.Ghana was named gold coast because it was full of gold.The national flag of Ghana was designed and adopted in 1957 and was flown until 1962, and then reinstated in 1966. It consists of the Pan-African colours of red, gold, and green, in horizontal stripes, with a black five-pointed star in the centre of the gold stripe. The Ghanaian flag was the second African flag after the flag of the Ethiopian Empire to feature these colors. The flag's design influenced that of the flag of Guinea-Bissau (1973). The flag of Ghana was designed by Theodosia Okoh (1922–2015).

Central sub-Saharan Africa, agricultural expansion marked the period before 500 AD. Farming began earliest on the southern tips of the Sahara, eventually giving rise to village settlements. Toward the end of the classical era, larger regional kingdoms had formed in West Africa, one of which was the Kingdom of Ghana, north of what is today the nation of Ghana. Before its fall at the beginning of the 10th century Ashanti migrants moved southward and founded several nation-states, including the first empire of Bono founded in the 11th century and for which the Brong-Ahafo (Bono Ahafo) region is named. Later Akan ethnic groups such as the Ashanti empire-kingdom and Fante states are thought to possibly have roots in the original Bono settlement at Bono Manso. Much of the area was united under the Empire of Ashanti by the 16th century. The Ashanti government operated first as a loose network and eventually as a centralized empire-kingdom with an advanced, highly specialized bureaucracy centred on the capital Kumasi.The first permanent state in the territory of present-day Ghana dates back to the 11th century. Numerous kingdoms and empires emerged over the centuries, of which the most powerful was the Kingdom of Ashanti.[10] Beginning in the 15th century, numerous European powers contested the area for trading rights, with the British ultimately establishing control of the coast by the late 19th century. Following over a century of native resistance, Ghana's current borders were established by the 1900s as the British Gold Coast. It became independent of the United Kingdom on 6 March 1957 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alao murewa (talk • contribs) 15:38, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

Mobile Version

Hi, I dont know if this is just a short loved bug or not, but the mobile verdion groups all later chapters under "Government" and I cant see why in the code. Does anyone know how to fix this? Nsae Comp (talk) 07:55, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Religious composition

The introduction cites a 2010 census saying that 71.2% of the population are Christian. The facts table on the right claims that this number is 68.8%, without any citation. Is there any backing for the second claim, and why are there two numbers in the first place? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.1.83.173 (talk) 11:00, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Ghana

What about COVID-19 in Ghana? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:840:8201:AAA0:3DD9:91E0:9220:FB57 (talk) 19:10, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Tourism paragraph …

… contains the phrase "for remembering our forefathers" which doesn’t quite sound like a "neutral point of view."伟思礼 (talk) 06:49, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

MarkMysoe and their puppets seem to have had a field day in destroying this article once again

I've removed decvisive and utterly wrong agenda-based claims like

Ghana was inhabited in the Middle Ages and the Age of Discovery by a number of ancient predominantly Akan kingdoms.
...the Akans were firmly settled by the 5th century CE

--Masssly (talk) 11:22, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

section connections

... and the different sections are so poorly connected to each other. --Masssly (talk) 11:33, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Suggestions for section on science and technology

Hi, just a suggestion, the UNESCO Science Report may be a good place to start in improving this section and can copied from directly using these instructions.

Thanks John Cummings (talk) 12:41, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

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Native Names in Infobox

Hello, I have decided that it would be a good idea to include the native names in Ewe and Twi to the Infobox of the country.

"Kwasafoman Gaana" in Twi (Source: Christaller, Johann Gottlieb (1881). A Dictionary of the Asante and Fante Language Called Tshi (Chwee, Tw̌i): With a Grammatical Introduction and Appendices on the Geography of the Gold Coast and Other Subjects. Evangelical Missionary Society. p. 271.)
"Ghana Dukɔa" in Ewe (Source: Duthie, Alan S.; Vlaardingerbroek, R. K. (1981). Bibliography of Gbe: (Ewe, Gen, Aja, Xwala, Fon, Gun, Etc.) : Publications on and in the Language. Basler Afrika Bibliographien. p. 123.) - In addition to the fact that the Constitution of Togo (Another Country where Ewe is widely spoken) uses the term "Dukɔa" to refer to the country as a Republic. (Source: Blaustein, Albert P.; Flanz, Gisbert H. (1980). Constitutions of the Countries of the World: Togo. Oceana Publications. ISBN 978-0-379-00467-0.)

I ask here first to establish consensus about this, I have asked before about adding the native languages to the infobox of the Uganda article and I plan to do the same with Ghana, but first I want to receive additional information and clarify some doubts about it, all the translations and transcriptions come from academic books written by linguists specialized in West African languages. - Pinging @Drmies:, being one of the contributors who recently edited the article. Seb { 💬 Talk + 📝 Edits } 13:07, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

User:JSeb05, I think I'm fine with that, and the sourcing seems OK--though the issue is somewhat clouded by the history of Ghana. Are those names relevant to the area between 1821 and 1957? Drmies (talk) 15:23, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
It depends, both "Kwasafoman" and "Dukɔa", are terms that have been around for a long time, which are the words used by Twi and Ewe communities to refer to formal/organized states (Many languages in Africa use such words to refer to their own countries as for example "Ilizwe" is the term used by many Ndebele communities to refer to a country (See Zimbabwe infobox) and (Wiktionary entry)). These terms are still used to this day, one example is that the Ministry of Finance publishes documents in Ewe, which is seen using the term "Ghana Dukɔa", in addition to information about Twi, one of the examples is Kasahorow Foundation, which is in charge of publishing documents and information about various African languages, mainly Akan. ("Gaana" is the phonetic transcription of the country name using typical Twi syllables that are close to the standard pronunciation of Ghanaian English, although the transliteration of "Ghana" is also accepted, which is used by the Ministry of Finance)

Specifying in the history part, it is a bit complicated, because before Ghana was conformed by several kingdoms and these had different ways of naming themselves, these were unified in a single entity by the United Kingdom, which gave the country a generic name, which was "Gold Coast", in reference to the mining produced in the territory. When Ghana became independent, the country's first president, Kwame Nkrumah, decided to name the country after one of the largest empires in West African history, which was the Ghana empire, although this empire had never controlled part of the territory of the modern country, instead that name was chosen for pan-African reasons and to unite the population more by not giving preference to any ethnic group.

Although I think that the part of History is not so relevant, because current dictionaries continue to use these terms, unfortunately a large part of them are under a paywall or are not digitized, which prevents with the WP:Verifiability rule, although I think it is not so necessary since we have as source Ghana's Ministry of Finance and the Kasahorow Foundation, which confirms the country's respective transcriptions into those languages. Seb { 💬 Talk + 📝 Edits } 16:10, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Lead edits

For the second time I reverted a bunch of edits by User:Brllo, and I'll explain why, briefly. I can't undo them individually since they're all to the same section.

"languages has no source, these are not national languages, but termed "government-sponsored" in sub-section below": the infobox calls for languages that are "recognised but not necessarily in country/territory-wide law, etc". There is no need to fetishize the official status of this or that language or pretend that Languages of Ghana doesn't explain the linguistic wealth of the country.
"details stored in box or below": I don't know what that means but that this information is in some box doesn't mean it can't be in the lead. This is a matter of editorial judgment and convention and boxes don't seem relevant to me.
"not the official language for the name" is like the first point: both these languages have near 20 million speakers each, many in Ghana. This is not about status.
"unsourced" is silly. This is the lead. "Biomes" isn't sourced either, and to remove "diverse" can be a matter of editorial judgment but sourcing isn't relevant.
"wording a little"--this edit makes it worse. "Most of what later is Ghana" and "Kingdoms emerged were the..." are ungrammatical.
this has some editorial tweaks, and I agree with the removal of "He became the prime...", but other changes are not helpful. Drmies (talk) 15:34, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

I'm seeing this as well, they are gutting the article and replacing information with the excuse of copyediting. I'll revert them as well. Perhaps, we need to ask for a protection tag for this article? Wkpdsrnm2023 (talk) 00:52, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

Done, and I requested that the page be protected. Hopefully this helps with the vandalism. Wkpdsrnm2023 (talk) 01:32, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

Massive amounts of edits, removing large parts of the article

I just happened to come across the 50 or so edits made by the user Brllo and it seems as if large amounts of vandalism were happening. I'm not well versed in how factual these edits are, but perhaps someone with a better understanding of Ghana should review the large amounts of data that Brllo has recently removed from the article. I also tried to protect the page from vandalism with an official request but it was denied and suggested to move it here to the talk page. Wkpdsrnm2023 (talk) 03:55, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

Edit warring

@Kwesi Yema and @Brllo, please bring your discussion here instead of arguing in edit summaries. Valereee (talk) 10:22, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Sports section problem

@Brllo. You deleted the entire sports section based on WP:OFFTOPIC. But the sports section is a summary of Sports in Ghana per WP:SUMMARYHATNOTE and Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Layout#Section templates and summary style. You also argued that these events do not occur inside the country, these information are trivial and unrelated and does not occur inside the country, has to happen inside the region to relate to the subject, a group participate in olympic events outside the subject's area. Thus, these were your criteria for deletion. But the Sports in Ghana article talks about Ghana's sporting activities which involves domestic and international sporting events. Asante Kotoko S.C. is a native Ghanaian football club. The Ghana Football Association and the national team are all native to the state. Ghana at the Commonwealth Games is still a part of the sporting activities of Ghana. If you believe the summary is more slanted towards international events, then why don't you improve the section by adding events that have been hosted in Ghana instead of deleting the entire section??Kwesi Yema (talk) 10:45, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

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Add Wildlife of Ghana to geography section. 2600:6C50:7EF0:4A70:E8BF:AB24:F9E3:DB97 (talk) 09:56, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Done CMD (talk) 10:05, 12 August 2023 (UTC)