Talk:Gija

This article reads like Korean propaganda

This article needs a lot of work, as it currently reads like South Korean revisionist propaganda. The "sources" cited in this article are from far-right South Korean message boards (naver.com etc). The evidence provided to discredit Gija's Chinese relations is weak and does not match the extremely biased conclusions and strong assertions made in the article. --Mamin27 04:40, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Some of the strongest POV assertions came from one anonymous editor 67.38.248.81 (of Cleveland, Ohio). --Mamin27 05:13, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, that IP is an apparent sockpuppet of User:Hairwizard91, who managed to leave an impressive swath of destruction across Category:History of Korea before suddenly disappearing. I should note that the sources cited are not entirely trivial (although the format needs some work and the use made of them is questionable)... the Naver encyclopedia is a legitimate mirror of the fairly reliable Dusan World Encyclopedia. -- Visviva 09:50, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

- The article is waaaay over on the revisionist side of a fairly controversial debate, with totally inadequate sources for the claims it makes (incidentally, the first of the three links is dead). The whole article reads like something that should be posted (in capitals ;-)) on a message board on the outer peripheries of the net.

-Hyung Il Pai makes an interesting point on the controversy of Kija in "Constructing "Korean" Origins" (2000). Dating for Tan'gun, thus the foundation of KochosOn, thus the founding of Korea (as some would have it) relies on cross-referencing the Samguk Yusa's dates for the arrival of Kija with corresponding Chinese sources. If, as the article asserts, all these Chinese sources refer to a different Kija, then the current date of 2,333BC goes out of the window (Chinese sources generally put Kija's arrival at 1285BC - Tan'gun abdicated at the age of 1,048, which gives the much circulated figure of 2,333BC)

-Does 'cha' necessarily refer to a title? Could it not mean 'son'? Corruption2000 18:49, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Restoration

Hi,

I've re-redirected this page to Jizi, without prejudice for what the correct name might be. This was part of an old cut-and-paste move, which was followed by extensive insertions of OR and POV-pushing. If there is anything salvageable in the history of Gija, please feel free to salvage it and include it in the Jizi article. If anyone believes this article should be at "Gija" rather than "Jizi" -- I personally don't care one way or the other -- please use the process at Wikipedia:Requested moves. Cheers, -- Visviva 06:08, 16 December 2006 (UTC)