Talk:Gino Vanelli

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Requested move 1 January 2017[edit]

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The result of the move request was: Page should not be moved per consensus.(non-admin closure) -- Dane ^talk 23:48, 7 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Gino Vanelli → Gino Vanelli (opera singer) – I just did a dabfix run in AWB, and of the 28 mainspace links to this title, 25 of them were expecting the living Canadian pop singer Gino Vannelli while just three were actually expecting the dead Italian opera singer actually described here. (The Italian opera singer, frex, certainly never appeared on Soul Train, or garnered Juno Award nominations, or collaborated with Martine St. Clair or Margo Davidson.) One vs. two n's is simply not enough of a distinction to adequately disambiguate these two titles, particularly given how demonstrably common one-n is as a misspelling of two-n's actual surname — but to a contemporary English-speaking audience, the Gino Vannelli who just wanna stop because black cars look better in the shade is far more likely to be the expected WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Accordingly, the Italian opera singer should be disambiguated, and certainly hatnoted from the Canadian pop singer, but the plain title "Gino Vanelli" with one n should be restored back into a redirect to the Canadian pop singer as it was from 2005 to 2014, because most readers are far more likely to be looking for him and misspelling it than to be looking for the opera singer. Bearcat (talk) 00:04, 1 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose can't help thinking we just have to live with this, and those misspelling the Canadian Van-nel-li as the Italian Va-nel-li will have opportunity to learn that they are is misspelling by taking the detour caused by their misspelling. That's life. Misspell things, learn. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:34, 1 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia's mandate does not include "giving users spelling lessons by redirecting them to topics they're not looking for". This situation does not just affect people who are directly typing "Gino Vanelli" into the search bar when actually looking for "Gino Vannelli"; as noted, I found 25 wronglinks in articles, meaning people who did nothing wrong, and merely dutifully clicked on an existing link, are still going to be affected by it. Is there actually a substantive reason why we "just have to live with this"? Bearcat (talk) 16:31, 1 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per In ictu oculi. Both titles are accurate, concise and precise. If someone misspells a name, it is our mandate to educate that reader as to the correct spelling as much to as any other fact about the topic. The hatnotes are sufficient. Station1 (talk) 21:42, 5 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

What part of "This situation does not just affect people who are directly typing "Gino Vanelli" into the search bar when actually looking for "Gino Vannelli"; as noted, I found 25 wronglinks in articles, meaning people who did nothing wrong, and merely dutifully clicked on an existing link, are still going to be affected by it." does this answer, exactly? Unless you're personally committing to monitor this article's what-links-here every single day for the rest of human existence to ensure that every misdirected link is immediately corrected, that is not an ignorable or "just live with it" problem — it's a problem that must be dealt with, because it actually affects users who didn't need the "education" and just innocently clicked on a link. One-n Vanelli is seen, both in internal wikilinks and in real world sources, as a misspelling for the Canadian pop singer overwhelmingly more frequently than it is as the correct spelling of the Italian opera singer — and when "Misspelling of Topic B" is seen this much more frequently than "Correct Spelling of Topic A" is, then Topic B is still the primary topic for that spelling. Bearcat (talk) 15:55, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per In ictu oculi and Station1. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 20:58, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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