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Requested move

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Disambiguation

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The problem now is that there are redlinks from two other articles to Giovanni Lonfernini (I), so assuming that in the fullness of time an article is created on the other Giovanni Lonfernini, it will probably be created under this name, which we have just rejected as unsatisfactory.

I think we need a more robust solution. The move is part of it, but it's not the whole answer. Andrewa (talk) 09:45, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

One possibility is to create a stub for Giovanni Lonfernini (1934 Captain Regent) and change the two links to point there. Another is to add something similar to the second paragraph at Giuliano Gozi to this article and point the links here. Station1 (talk) 17:33, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Or both. I've done that, and some other tidying up as well. Andrewa (talk) 21:38, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Further cleanup

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it:Giovanni Lonfernini links to this article as another language version, but this article does not currently link back - another wikidata glitch perhaps?

List of Captains Regent of San Marino lists two different people by this name, but links both to this same article. One was elected in 1934, 1937 and 1941, the other in 2003. Our very stubby article is on the latter and is under WP:BLP but also describes the former even more briefly.

Giovanni Lonfernini is currently a two-way DAB, meant presumably to distinguish the two, but we only have the one article at present. In that the earlier was elected three times, he may even be the more notable.

There were at one stage two redirects from Giovanni Lonfernini (I) and Giovanni Lonfernini (II). One of these is now up for speedy deletion, which is what has raised the issue at this time.

There is no it: page corresponding to our list, instead there is it:Capitani_reggenti_dal_2001 it:Capitani reggenti dal 1901 al 2000 etc.. (I don't know how Wikidata is supposed to handle this situation.) The first of these links to it:Giovanni Lonfernini which seems to be a more comprehensive article (more comprehensive than ours that is, but I don't read Italian and Google translator won't read the page either) on the one elected in 2003, and doesn't seem to mention the other. The second is mainly redlinks including one to it:Giovanni Lonfernini (I) which I guess was the source of our similar (for en: non-standard) disambiguation (it: may well have different DAB practices to those of en:).

More to follow. Andrewa (talk) 11:11, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ideally, we'd just create the other article of course :) But I wasn't able to find sufficient to me accessible sources for that. If anyone feels a calling there: please do go ahead. That would also be a satisfying outcome. The redirect is tricky right now, because we don't quite know whether this Lonfernini is indeed the first, or maybe they are even multiple people elected shortly after eachother. Unlikely, but who knows. And maybe there were even more people with that name. The (I) suffix is suboptimal imho, but a workaround at best. Once we have a proper source, that probably also has the year of birth, a much more desirable distinguisher. Hence I proposed to delete the redirect, to avoid confusion with blue links where they really are red :) effeietsanders 17:50, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
This article has now been moved back to Giovanni Lonfernini as requested at RM/TR by Station1 and actioned by Brojam. The dab page was moved to Giovanni Lonfernini (1976) and then turned into a redirect to this article. As I see it the current situation with redirects is as follows:
Everyone else agree with this summation? Jenks24 (talk) 00:38, 8 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Yes and no. That's the situation, but the good redirects aren't so much good as ok (in that they do no harm) and the bad redirects aren't so much bad as unnecessary (in that they do point to the only article that has any information at all about Giovanni I). The article is what we used to call a multi-stub, or set index article, that has info about the two separate people who share the name and office. The redirects don't matter, imo. Station1 (talk) 06:01, 8 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]