Talk:God Help the Outcasts

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Review: October 26, 2014. (Reviewed version).

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Other versions section[edit]

Who is Kyle and Audry? So far all I can find is YouTube videos on one of them with a couple of thousand likes. Are they notable and is it Wikipedia's duty to direct people to sheet music for a particular song? I haven't seen this in other song articles before... --196.215.99.43 (talk) 09:22, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Film audio commentary as a source[edit]

I'm in the process of accessing a copy of the film so I can search the audio commentary for useful information related to the song. So far, no luck. But I'm sure there is some valuable info there so it's worth checking out.--Coin945 (talk) 00:53, 21 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good. As you can see, the article is not short on internet sources. Any other sources could only be beneficial, as I hope to have this article GA-nominated within the next week.--Changedforbetter (talk) 17:47, 21 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

There are also those books I included in the external links that we can check out. Also, just wanted to say how awesome it is that you chose to work on this article specifically. I really love Hunchback - it's probably my favourite Disney film - so it's really great to see this article grow the way it has over the past week or so. Please keep up the good work! :)--Coin945 (talk) 04:45, 22 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Changedforbetter: Perhaps you can gain access to a copy of the Hunchback DVD.--Coin945 (talk) 06:39, 24 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'll see if I can borrow one. But it's not bid deal if I don't as the article is virtually complete.--Changedforbetter (talk) 16:56, 26 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. The article is fine. But I'm a completionist when it comes to Wikipedia. It's a disease haha. We have to fix the references though. (I didn't know how much of the stuff I added you wanted to actually keep so didn't bother with them).--Coin945 (talk) 16:59, 26 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I've been slowly getting around to correcting them myself. I believe I've kept all the references you've added, simply moved them around or shortened/paraphrased some of the quotes.

GA Review on hold due to sourcing issues.[edit]

Just wanted to let the editors here know that I reviewed this article for GA, but put it on hold because one section (Background) uses unreliable sources. You can read the GA Review here. What would be an appropriate amount of time to give before I finish the review? Luthien22 (talk) 17:57, 26 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:God Help the Outcasts/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Luthien22 (talk · contribs) 17:53, 26 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

Hi, I'm Luthien22 (talk), and I'm going to be reviewing this article for GA.

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose, no copyvios, spelling and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
Overall the prose is excellent. I have a few very minor quibbles with the clarity of a couple of the quotes in the reception section (for instance the Plugged In quote), but I have no doubt that these very minor issues will be resolved over time and are no reason to fail this for good prose.
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
Although there are many citations and no original research, almost an entire section is sourced from blogs ("Background and Someday"). It also cites two Google Drive documents that, when clicked, brought up 404 errors. This is a shame since the rest of the article is for the most part well sourced. It shouldn't be particularly hard to fix the one section with issues. The Hunchback DVD clearly contains all the information on "Someday" that was found on these blogs, since almost all of them mention the DVD as their source. All citations from blogs have been replaced by reliable sources. Luthien22 (talk) 19:28, 26 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This actually didn't take as long as I initially thought it would. Simply removed the less reliable sources as there were enough reliable sources to make up for it, including two published books and a Deseret News article.--Changedforbetter (talk) 18:58, 26 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
This article does a good job on covering all important information related to this topic, while focusing appropriate attention to the key points.
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
This article doesn't seem to have any POV issues. The analysis section could probably use monitoring for possible POV language, but right now it seems fine.
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
Going through the article history I didn't notice any edit warring or instability, which is a bit harder to do for Disney topics since they attract so many editors who often choose not to comply with Wikipedia policy. Great job on that.
It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
I realize this is an article about a song, but I feel that at least the info box should have an image, possibly of the soundtrack album this song was released on.

I'm not too sure about this...you see, this song has yet to be released as an official single so putting an image of the Hunchback album cover might be misleading. Also, none of the other Disney-related song articles I have edited that are now good articles – Belle (Disney song), Be Our Guest, I See the Light – have covers as none of them are singles. As well as countless other non-single articles on Wikipedia: Side Effects, Radio, Dance for You.Changedforbetter (talk) 18:23, 26 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Going back through the article, I realized I missed some images. Both are properly tagged with the fair use rationale, so we're good to go. Also, I checked the sound files, and those are fine as well. Would still like an image in the infobox, but as you pointed out, that's not key here.Luthien22 (talk) 19:28, 26 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Overall:
Pass/Fail:
The main thing keeping me from giving this GA is the sources. Would a couple weeks be enough time for the editors on this page to find better sources, specifically for the Background section relating to the song "Someday"? Comment below to let me know.
All issues with sourcing have been taken care of, which were the main issues keeping this from GA. Therefore this article is now GA.

As the main editor of this page, I can guarantee that I should have the sources checked and reorganized in at least two days. Thanks!--Changedforbetter (talk) 18:27, 26 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I've responded to all your requests! :)--Changedforbetter (talk) 18:58, 26 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Metro article:[edit]

"The Bette Midler version was a tad weak (sorry!) but the in-film performance of this gave us all kind of feels. The message was extraordinarily poignant, forcing children and adults alike to question rights and wrongs. Esmerelda emotively singing that she asked for nothing as she could get by also sealed her as one of the most powerful Disney characters of recent times."^[1]

Another source: <ref>http://www.cinemablend.com/new/10-Wonderful-Disney-Songs-Do-Get-Enough-Credit-40452-p9.html</ref

References

^ http://metro.co.uk/2015/06/25/ranked-the-top-20-disney-songs-ever-5265814/#ixzz3eTBbsPnw

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