Talk:Golden Bull of 1222

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Who paid taxes and went to war?[edit]

The nobles and the church were freed from all taxes...

Who remained to pay taxes? Only the cities and the free farmers? How many were of the later?

...and could not be forced to go to war outside of Hungary

Who did go to war? Was there a professional standing army financed from the treasury? Top.Squark (talk) 16:12, 9 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, this Golden Bull seems like a sweet deal for the worthless nobility to be lifted of all social responsibility, and a shitty deal for everyone else in the country who had to pick up the tab. Furthermore, as for "the right to disobey the king when he acts unlawfully", who interprets whether or not the King has acted unlawfully? Is it some neutral arbiter and judge? Or is it the nobles themselves? The first is reasonable, the second is a disaster, as it basically gives the nobles the right to make up their own law. The article really goes light on the implications, giving it a glowing review when, really, it should be viewed as a sign of the weakness of the country at the time. For the record, though, Hungary did develop Europes only standing army in the 15th century, but it was abolished shortly after the death of the monarch who formed it. And afterward, the Ottomans mostly conquered the country.68.19.231.55 (talk) 07:31, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

XXIV. Nor Jew or Ismaelite, can hold a public position (job). The Nobles of the Chamber, those working with monies, tax collectors and toll-keepers may only be Hungarian noblemen.

The word izmaelita seems to be mistranslated. According to the "Boszormeny" article the correct translation would be muslim: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%B6sz%C3%B6rm%C3%A9ny --Spamtramp (talk) 19:58, 30 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

AFAIK, Ismaelite or Ishmaelite was a term used at one time by Christians to refer to Muslims (half-brothers Isaac and Ishmael being the supposed forefathers of the Jewish and Muslim peoples). -- Avocado (talk) 20:43, 30 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]