Talk:Goose pulling

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Origins?[edit]

- the goose pulling originates from the village of El Carpio de Tajo near Toledo in Spain. the date of the first goose pulling event seems to be unknown but there are two possible dates both connected to the Saint James feast day. The first date is around 1085 (when the region around Toledo was freed from the moors), the second date is 1485 after a huge flood. this spanish tradition came to the netherlands, belgium and germany during the Eighty Years' War. it is possible that the goose riding was introduced to the town of Wattenscheid in Germany in 1598 when spanish soldiers had an army camp here. that explanation cannot be proven by historic documents, but it seems to fit perfectly because the goose riding takes place next to a small chapel (and hospital) from the middle ages that was built in 1395 to give shelter to the pilgrims on the Way of St. James. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.232.45.134 (talk) 14:26, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, that's interesting; do you have any sources I could cite for that? -- ChrisO (talk) 20:09, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
only german ones:
1.) http://www.beepworld.de/members21/gaensereiter-freisenbruch/75jahregaensereiter.htm (even though the page looks not very trustworthy the author is a german lawyer and author.
2.) http://www.hbv-wat.de/wattenscheideroldies/wattenscheider11998.pdf <= 1st article; the author was Provost of our town
3.) http://www.turus.net/regionen/23-deutschland/718-ruhrgebiet.html <= an article on the visit of spanish goose riders
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.232.45.134 (talk) 21:16, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
See here too (though the evidence it was ever a "favourite sport" in Britain is lacking, I'd say), and the Punch article I've added to the article. Just covering its existence in Spain, not its origin. Johnbod (talk) 15:56, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It seems so that Spanish soldiers brought it to Belgium, Netherlands and Germany, maybe to Britain also. Dutch settlers brought it to the United States and the Spanish to New Mexico. -- Simplicius (talk) 09:44, 7 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Zoosadism[edit]

Should we add a zoosadism link to this article? Or describe it as a form of zoosadism, as is cat-burning? Remember (talk) 16:52, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Not unless you have a source specifically describing it that way. I've not seen anything that would link goose pulling with zoosadism. -- ChrisO (talk) 17:14, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I second that. If you read the basic literature regarding carnival and carnivalesque traditions like the theory by Bakhtin you will see that there are other socio-cultural reasons for such traditions then the "pleasure" of animal cruelty. it's a common accusation but that doesn't make it true. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.232.32.45 (talk) 18:23, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Excellent hint. -- Simplicius (talk) 09:44, 7 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
In what other lens can this be viewed? It's the murder and torture of a living being in the most cruel and awful of ways for sport and pleasure. Trying to squirm around the reality of it by claiming undisclosed 'socio-cultural' reasons just reads as a blatant attempt at sanitising an evil of the past. 86.5.160.43 (talk) 22:00, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Further reading[edit]

Just to finish my truncated edit explanation, there was no such place as Atlanta, Georgia in the 1790's. The volume linked mentions Augusta Ga. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.72.244.157 (talk) 16:12, 21 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Is the use of "rattraps" real, or did somebody insert an error (possibly deliberately)?[edit]

The article says "In Dortmund and Essen rattraps are used." Is this correct? If so, how are rattraps used? I wonder if this is the result of somebody inserting incorrect text. Pete unseth (talk) 19:12, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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