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Can these versions be translated to English? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.223.156.178 (talk) 21:42, 13 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Odd version[edit]

Saving this odd original version of Our Father:

atta unsar þu ïn himina

weihnai namo þein

weihnai namo þein.

qimai þiudi nassus þeins

wairþai wilja þeins

swe ïn himina jah ana airþai

hlaif unsarana þana sin teinan gif uns himma daga

jah aflet uns þatei skulans sijai ma

swaswe jah weis afletam þai skulam unsaraim

jah ni brig gais uns ïn fraistubnjai

ak lau sei uns af þamma ubilin

unte þeina ïst þiudangardi

jah mahs jah wulþus ïn aiwins

amen

The oddities are: ï - are they correctly placed according to Codex Argenteus - CA - (?), the first "himina" is "himinam" in CA, the spacing is very odd, "þiudi nassus" could be real, (although writing stems apart in composed words is not normal for germanic languages because of accent), but "sin teinan" for daily seems far fetched in the extreme. Sources (more than 1) are needed for a version like this one. Said: Rursus (☻) 09:21, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'll try to explain by myself: Codex Argenteus reads:

attaunsarþuïnhiminam

weihnai,namo,þein· qimai,þiudi

nassus,þeins· wairþai,wilja

þeins· swe,ïn,himina,jah,ana,

airþai· hlaif,unsarana,þana,sin

teinan,gif,uns,himmadaga· jah

aflet,uns,þatei,skulanssijai

ma· swaswe,jah,weis,afletam,þaim

skulam,unsaraim· jah,ni,brig

gais,unsïn,fraist?bnjai· ak,lau

sei,uns,af,þamma,ubilin· unte

þeina,ïst,þiudangardi· jah,mahts,

jah,wulþus,ïnaiwins· amen·

However, it's unclear whether the commas are authentic. CA have been deliberately damaged in the early years in Sweden, so the commas may be a later addition. The earlier version of this article was an incomplete reading straight from that CA facsimile, which is a risky business considering ligatures and potential typos. Said: Rursus (☻) 10:05, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

       attaunsarþuïnhiminam

       weihnai,namo,þein· qimai,þiudi
       nassus,þeins· wairþai,wilja
       þeins· swe,ïn,himina,jah,ana,
       airþai· hlaif,unsarana,þana,sin
       teinan,gif,uns,himmadaga· jah
       aflet,uns,þatei,skulanssijai
       ma· swaswe,jah,weis,afletam,þaim
       skulam,unsaraim· jah,ni,brig
       gais,unsïn,fraist?bnjai· ak,lau
       sei,uns,af,þamma,ubilin· unte
       þeina,ïst,þiudangardi· jah,mahts,
       jah,wulþus,ïnaiwins· amen·  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:248:4301:5A70:4A5D:60FF:FE32:8309 (talk) 23:34, 15 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]