Talk:Gothic Line

Possible minor change re: image used

The image caption on the second photo says "British tanks and infantry..." but I'm fairly sure the armoured vehicle in the picture is not a tank at all but an American-built M10 Wolverine tank destroyer. Also there is only one, not multiple.

Minor point I know, but it trips my OCD. I am not 100% certain of my ID on the vehicle, so I'd ask someone to check before changing it for sure, but I'm reasonably confident. 80.6.230.104 (talk) 23:46, 29 November 2014 (UTC)Captain Hat

References

The Battle for Rimini

I made many changes to this article tonight to reflect the contributions of Canadian I Corps which had gone conspicuously unremarked previously. I also removed the following paragraph as it didn't seem factually consistent (Germany itself surrendered in the "Spring of 1945"):

The Allies finally broke through the Gothic line in the spring of 1945, thanks to fresh reinforcements from India, France, the United States and Poland; British landings in Greece, and Yugoslav partisan activity.

I reprinted it here in the event that it does indeed have relevance or perhaps could be modified to be suitable (is that dating really accurate?). --216.240.7.149 02:20, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Greek participation

Greek troops liberated Rimini. They were the first to enter the city. 324 Greek soldiers were KIA to capture it from the Nazis and there is no mention of Greek participation in the article.Cretanpride 06:34, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Battle in the Garfagnana (North Tuscany).

On December 26, 1944 and in the following days a bloody battle took place in the Garfagnana: US-troops against Germans and Italian soldiers of the RSI. The name of oeration was "Wintergewitter" or "temporale d`inverno" (= "wintershower" in English).

MANY ARMIES BROKE THROUGH THE GOTHIC LINE

Soldiers of several armies broke the Gothic Line. Among them also 4 Italian "combat groups" of the new anti-fascist Government of Rome (established in June/July 1944), after the (forced) retirement of king Victor Emmanuel III. The leaders of the partisans recognized this government on Dec. 26 1944. The forces of the RSI did surrender on May 1, 1945.

Rewrite

This article is very thin (considering it was a series of major actions fought by two allied armies resulting in a combined casualty toll on both sides of some 200,000) and lopsided with much missing in terms of the battle plans and actual actions. I've made a start but expect to be adding a lot more over the next month or so. However, I'm away for the next couple of weeks and will be off the air for a while. Stephen Kirrage 21:52, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Nisei / Mount Fogarito

I've taken this piece out of the main article because it no longer fits and I have yet to work out where to put it so I'm parking it here in the Talk page until I've done some more research. It seems to take place in April 1945 and should therefore I suspect go in a piece covering the Allied spring offensive in 1945 (as yet unwritten) - which technically is not part of the Gothic Line battle.

One of the Allied breakthroughs occurred at Mount Fogarito, where the U.S. 5th Army had positioned 3 infantry divisions, (at that time, the equivalent of 12 regiments) to hammer the Germans entrenched on the mountain. The mountain guarded the Po Valley and access to Austria. As of April 1945, the Americans had been unable to breach the line for six months. The Germans had dug in quite well and resisted all attempts at frontal assault, at which time the 442nd Regimental Combat Team was sent to attempt a breach. Commanders of the all-nisei force claimed they could do it in 24 hours; striking from the rear. Soldiers of the 442nd scaled up the rear of the mountain, a near-vertical 4,000 foot precipice deemed inaccessible. However, the plan worked. After 8 hours of climbing (men who fell during the climb did not utter sounds that would give away the unit), the unit assaulted German positions. The U.S. Army reported the 442nd breached the Gothic Line in 34 minutes. [1]

Stephen Kirrage ^{talk - contribs} 00:42, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Inconclusive?

Tactically it may have been, but this campaign was a German strategic victory in which Kesselring accomplished all of his objectives. He wanted to:
1. Halt the Allied advance along the short Italian front;
2. Immobilize the Allied armies in the Appenines until the coming of winter; and
3. Keep the Po Valley and the Italian industrial regions of the north under Axis control.
Kesselring's success in holding the line with a relatively small portion of the German army freed several divisions for the French and Russian fronts and prevented the Allies from launching an attack on Germany from the south. Politically, the successful defense also kept Mussolini in power until the very last days of the war.
Given the circumstances, Kesselring didn't have to "win" the battle in order to win, he had to merely not lose. And he did that. Jsc1973 (talk) 16:06, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Possible merge?

I've noticed Battle of Rimini, which seems to cover the same topic as this article. A possible merge? Shimgray | talk | 23:09, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

The name

Where did the name come from? Possibly it was the southern border of the First Reich (Middle Ages)?--Revery (talk) 10:47, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

I suspect it was simply chosen as a vaguely heroic propaganda name - compare the Siegfried Line, Hitler Line, etc. Shimgray | talk | 11:20, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

German casualties

what is the source of the German casualties in the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ekieki92 (talk • contribs) 01:58, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Last Months

The edition of 22 October, 2013 include the final months of the Gothic Line, with its books reference, completing the article after some years without major updates. I looked for only snippets of consensus among various authors, including some already cited in the previous edition, about the line not having been eliminated in December 1944, continuing during the first months of 1945, until Spring offensive. It also contains one viewing in Google Books. As well as the external links was organized alphabetically by first link names. 187.37.173.186 (talk) 04:55, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

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Omissions

After repeated attempts to capture the Riva Ridge-Mt. Belvedere sector of the Gothic Line in late 1944, the American 10th Mountain Division, recently arrived from the US, gave it try starting on the night of February 18/19 1945 -- assisted by the Brazilian Expeditionary Force on their right. And succeeded, breaking thru the German lines there. This was known as the Battle of Mount Belvedere -- which is missing on Wikipedia.

In fact, there is nothing about Allied attempts to break thru the Gothic Line from December 1944 on. I know the 10th Mountain reached the Po River 23 April, then proceeded into the Alps, reaching Lake Garda on the 28th. I don't know if there was any success along the Adriatic Coast -- although I would expect that.

I guess whoever developed the current version of this article lost interest when he reached Fall 1944. This needs to be remedied. -- llywrch (talk) 04:36, 8 October 2023 (UTC)