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"During this time, his ministers worked to weaken the State of Yue internally through bribes and diplomatic intrigue."[edit]

Are you sure it's the State of Yue and not Wu? It wouldn't make sense for his own ministers, who he appointed, to weaken their own state. This is why I changed the Yue, to Wu. --141.213.196.250 06:12, 22 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

According to the TV series, which I finished viewing yesterday (May 3rd) on PCNE (a very enjoyable series, I might add), you might be correct, though the TV series glossed over this bit somewhat. It seemed clear, according to the fictional account, that Bo Pi (the rather scheming minister of Wu) did have contact and was flattered by people from Yue at this time. Although I viewed this with Chinese relatives who are familar with the history of this period, and who said the TV series was roughly correct at this point, it would be good to get some verifiable sources for this (a TV drama really doesn't count.) DDStretch (talk) 07:52, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rewrite[edit]

I've tidied up the article a bit and tried to make it read better. I hope people don't mind. DDStretch (talk) 07:52, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Goujian's Surname[edit]

Zh lists three possible surnames. One of them (and not Si) is referenced. Kayau Voting IS evil 01:23, 27 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

King Goujian's feces eating incident[edit]

http://books.google.com/books?id=-qD-em61j3UC&pg=PA5#v=onepage&q&f=false

Guderyean (talk) 06:04, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sima Qian assigned Chinese ancestor to Goujian[edit]

In "Reconstructing Ancient Korean History: The Formation of Korean-ness in the Shadow of History" by von Stella Xu [1] (p. 36), there's a passage writing that it is common for the Chinese to craft ancestor myths for non-Chinese people to justify Chinese expansions when needed and also explain the difference between Chinese-ness and non-Chinese-ness. Sima Qian assigned Chinese ancestors to most non-Chinese groups, which justified the incorporation of non-Chinese people into his historical records.

Goujian is said to be among whose people who got assigned Chinese ancestors by Sima Qian. Gustmeister (talk) 20:02, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The Great Revival (2007)[edit]

Will note that the last scene of the series is a direct reference to the gall/sticks idiom. Jackiespeel (talk) 19:31, 9 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]