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Requested move 28 July 2023[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: No consensus. After a much extended discussion, there is no consensus here.(closed by non-admin page mover) estar8806 (talk) ★ 21:00, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Government of the Autonomous Republic of Abkhazia → Autonomous Republic of Abkhazia – Like Crimea and Autonomous Republic of Crimea and Republic of Crimea, and Nagorno-Karabakh and Republic of Artsakh. The we need article about geographic area. Panam2014 (talk) 10:12, 28 July 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 14:35, 5 August 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. CLYDE ^{TALK TO ME}/_{STUFF DONE} 20:46, 15 August 2023 (UTC)— Relisting. —usernamekiran (talk) 22:46, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. There is no geographic area, this body is located in Tbilisi. We already have an article for the previous geographic area at Upper Abkhazia. CMD (talk) 10:29, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Chipmunkdavis: nope, the geographic area is Abkhazia. And there are no reason to name the article Government of the Autonomous Republic of Abkhazia and not Autonomous Republic of Abkhazia. Panam2014 (talk) 10:38, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The reason is that it's an article about the Government of the Autonomous Republic of Abkhazia. CMD (talk) 10:40, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Chipmunkdavis: in Template:Administrative divisions of Georgia (country), the administrative division called Abkhazia refers to the article called Government of the Autonomous Republic of Abkhazia. Government of the Autonomous Republic of Abkhazia should be named Autonomous Republic of Abkhazia and cover government and parliament in-exile and the administrative division. Panam2014 (talk) 10:44, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That template refers to the article on the Government because there is no actual administrative division. The government, including the Abkhazia’s Supreme Council, serves constituents from Tbilisi. You are right that the article should cover the legislative branch, as well as what the government does; it's a very underdeveloped article. CMD (talk) 10:53, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Taiwan Province, People's Republic of China is not called Government of Taiwan Province, People's Republic of China despite that the administrative division does not exist. So, the article should also cover the claimed Georgian province. Panam2014 (talk) 10:56, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
As far as I'm aware, there is no Government of Taiwan Province, just a handful of legislators. On the other hand, this article covers an actual body that exists. Your proposal is to remove this simple and accessible clarity from readers, supposedly due to the need for an article which already exists. CMD (talk) 11:06, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It is necessary to have an article for the autonomous republic. And I don't see any objective reason to do differently from what we did for all the other separatists of the former USSR. Panam2014 (talk) 11:16, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
If you think there could be an article on the nominal administrative structure supported by sources that doesn't duplicate what is and what could simply be in Administrative divisions of Georgia (country), then that's something you should find sources for to demonstrate. It is however not what you have proposed, which is to move this article, which is about a specific government body, and is in complete alignment with many other articles on separatists of the former USSR (1,2,3,4.5,etc.). CMD (talk) 11:31, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Estonia, Belarus and Georgia are not separatists. And South Ossetia is not a recognized province within Georgia. Again, we have sources for Taiwan province because it is nominally province of Taiwan. Same for ARA. Panam2014 (talk) 11:46, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I'm aware, there is no Government of Taiwan Province, just a handful of legislators. You might be surprised to learn that the "Government of the Autonomous Republic of Abkhazia" is precisely this: a handful of officials with nice-sounding titles who otherwise focus on unrelated work (please click through the name list in the article). The whole "Government" is closely linked to, and not notable independently from, the legal construct called "Autonomous Republic of Abkhazia", which thus happens to be the primary topic. — kashmīrī ^TALK 15:47, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
So surprised I provided a link to a recent article on the matter just earlier in this discussion! CMD (talk) 15:53, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support. The Taiwan comparison is rather apt here. The whole "Government of the Autonomous Republic of Abkhazia" consists of a handful of Tbilisi-based officials tasked with representing externally the territory that Georgia now calls Autonomous Republic of Abkhazia. The group does not exist separately from that legal construct (ARA), and ARA is the primary topic for the content of this article. — kashmīrī ^TALK 15:55, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It seems Autonomous Republic of Abkhazia redirects to Abkhazia, though (also full-protected). The Abkhazia article also covers Autonomous Republic of Abkhazia (see politics section). Mellk (talk) 12:22, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per practice we take for Crimea. This is also done for Transnistria, see Administrative-Territorial Units of the Left Bank of the Dniester. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 11:31, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support, per nominator. --Whitekocher (talk) 22:38, 3 August 2023 (UTC) Glocked as a LTA. CLYDE ^{TALK TO ME}/_{STUFF DONE} 19:02, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per above. This article is the equivalent to Government of the Republic of Abkhazia. Mellk (talk) 16:21, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Abkhazia has been notified of this discussion. CLYDE ^{TALK TO ME}/_{STUFF DONE} 20:46, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note that currently both Autonomous Republic of Abkhazia and The Autonomous Republic of Abkhazia redirect to the article about the separatist state, which is definitely should be fixed by someone (in the case of the former, with sysop rights). stjn 00:42, 27 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Politics has been notified of this discussion. —usernamekiran (talk) 22:46, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.