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WWE- Bret Hart

It has come to my attention the Bret Hart is a Grand Slam Champion under WWE's "New Format". You can clearly see in his "Championships and accomplishments" section (Bret_Hart#Championships_and_accomplishments) for both WWE and WCW that he meets the requirements shown.

January 26th, 1987 Bret Hart and Jim Neidhart win the Tag Team championship for the first time.

August 26, 1991 Bret Hart wins the Intercontinental Championship for the first time.

October 12, 1992 Bret Hart wins his First WWE Championship.

Now, Bret's United States title is up for grabs, but nonetheless, he still has won the WCW/WWE United States Championship, having even won it under both names. July 20, 1998 Bret Hart wins the WCW United States Championship, his first under the WCW name.

May 17, 2010, as little as a match it was, Bret Hart won the WWE United States championship, his first and only holding under the WWE name.

Bret's accomplishments clearly state that he has met the criteria. If he hasn't, I apologize, but if so the Accomplishments section is wrong, and that would also place him within 1 title win (hopefully) away from becoming a Grand Slam champion.

Thank you for your time.

24.209.31.136 (talk) 08:17, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

Bret never won the WWE Tag Team Championship which was introduced on SmackDown in 2002, he won the WWF (World) Tag Team Championship which is part of the old format but not the new.LM2000 (talk) 08:36, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
We also only list active wrestlers who are a belt away. Otherwise we'd have to add in a few retired WWE superstars too. retched (talk) 03:48, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
If you only list active wrestlers then why are you listing Shawn Michael (retires) or Eddie Guerrero (deceased)?2001:16B8:208F:7300:89EB:2183:6DD5:ED96 (talk) 09:59, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
We used to list wrestlers who were one belt away, so Bret would meet that criteria. WWE has been good about listing their current format grand slam winners on WWE.com so we don't have to debate criteria anymore. They've never listed Bret Hart so we don't have to worry about it.LM2000 (talk) 10:08, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

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Should Dolph Ziggler be included?

He has all of the necessary singles championships for the "Current Format" section and has a Tag Title reign in the WWE. He is listed on the Triple Crown Championship article. The only reason I can find is that his Tag Title with the Spirit Squad was the now-Defunct World Tag Team Championship and the Current Format section only uses the Raw or Smackdown Tag Titles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.116.61.143 (talk) 18:07, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Ziggler requires the WWE/Universal and Raw/SmackDown tag titles. The WHC and WTT titles don’t count in the modern format. Drummoe (talk) 12:40, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

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WCW Grand Slam Champions

There should be a section for WCW Grand Slam champions. Would count titles defended from the start of the company in 1988 until it closed in 2001 and any title lineages that connect to a previous company/organization such as Jim Crockett promotions or the NWA. Example: Ric Flair held the NWA Mid Atlantic Television title in 1977, eleven years before WCW's existence, which is considered the same title with the same lineage as the WCW World Television title.

Proposed format:

Primary Championship: WCW World Heavyweight title, NWA World Heavyweight title, WCW International World Heavyweight title

Secondary Championship: WCW U.S./NWA U.S. title

Tag Team Championship: WCW World Tag Team/NWA World Tag Team titles

Tertiary Championship: WCW World TV/NWA World TV/NWA TV/NWA Mid-Atlantic TV title, WCW Hardcore title — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lunder42 (talk • contribs) 19:26, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

No. we cannot just make something up. It has to be in previously published reliable sources. Now, I vaguely recall people referring to the combination of World, US, Tag and TV titles as the WCW Grand Slam, but a) I still wouldn't add it without finding a reliable source stating such, and B) that does not include the hardcore title or the WCW International title (which was just bad booking that lasted too long, but I digress). oknazevad (talk) 19:30, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

Shouldn't the World Heavyweight Title count?

In 2006, World Wrestling Entertainment stated, "Michaels was the first-ever Grand Slam Champion, capturing the European Championship once, the World Tag Team Championship four times, the Intercontinental Championship three times and the WWE and World Heavyweight Championships a total of four times." This indicates that WWE considers the World Heavyweight Championship to be an acceptable substitute for the WWF Championship (renamed the WWE Championship in 2002) in completing the Grand Slam. This, also from what i can find, the WWE have never actually stated that the WHC didnt count while it was being used in WWE. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C5:2C0B:F00:552B:86DB:AF0A:206F (talk) 23:30, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Source? - GalatzTalk 23:30, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
That source is already included when we describe the original format. We include WHC reigns for that format, just not the current format.LM2000 (talk) 03:46, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
Should Benoit then be included in the "Original Format"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by SKShoes (talk • contribs) 04:36, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
No. Benoit would've needed a Hardcore or European Championship reign under the original format and the WHC doesn't count for the new format.LM2000 (talk) 04:41, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Just in case it wasn't already obvious, WWE very clearly announced Rey Mysterio and Dolph Ziggler as only a Triple Crown Champion at Crown Jewel earlier. MarioFan78 (talk) 03:58, November 3, 2018 (UTC)

Kurt Angle is retired

So change under Modern Format his status to N/A (Retired) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.240.104.116 (talk) 13:30, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Sheamus

Sheamus won the WWE Championship, Intercontinental Championship, United States Championship, and both Raw and Smack Down Tag team Championships. These are all the major titles needed to be Grand slam Champion under modern rule. So why is he not listed one? Am sure WWE officially considers him as Grand Slam Champion. Dilbaggg (talk) 15:36, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

@Dilbaggg: When did he win Intercontinental? - Galatz גאליץשיחה Talk 15:46, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Oops my mistake. Wrote the same thing in Sheamus's article talk page. No need to respond there either. Dilbaggg (talk) 17:48, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

ROH reformat?

Since ROH are considering the Pure and 6-man championships as interchangeable for their Grand Slam, would it not make sense to list them as "Tertiary championships", so it read "Primary" (World), "Tag Team" (World Tag), "Secondary" (World TV), "Tertiary" (6-Man or Pure, either needed). Sorry, I'm no good with tables so can't show what I mean. 2A00:23C6:760A:7F01:71F9:DFD0:1F62:5DC (talk) 16:21, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Dolph Ziggler - Grand Slam Champ

Multiple reigns with WHC, IC, US, and Tag titles. All before the Universal Title was introduced. There needs to be another section for the time between European title and Universal title. 2603:7000:8401:463D:1D8:33D9:A337:1FD1 (talk) 18:03, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

He never held the right combo to be considered a grand slam winner. He needs one of the current world titles.LM2000 (talk) 18:30, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
Which doesn't count? The WHC? if so then drop Christian and Booker T. 2603:7000:8401:463D:1D8:33D9:A337:1FD1 (talk) 22:36, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
He would have needed a European or Hardcore title win to be a grand slam winner with the WHC under the original criteria. WHC doesn't count for the revised criteria, although the US title does. All of the titles you've mentioned are part of the grand slam but they need to be in the right combo to count.LM2000 (talk) 23:00, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
there was almost 15 years between the retirement of the European title and the establishment of the universal title. but there was the us title as a replacement for the euro. Also listing the hardcore as a qualifier is insane. it was slightly more prestigious than the 24/at points 2603:7000:8401:463D:1D8:33D9:A337:1FD1 (talk) 23:12, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
I agree with basically everything you said but it's not up to us to make this stuff up. WWE does and we struggle to keep up with it.LM2000 (talk) 23:20, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

maybe Wikipedia could add a caregory for those who fall into this category 2603:7000:8401:463D:71F1:55C1:4733:4704 (talk) 00:04, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

No. "it's not up to us to make this stuff up." --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 21:55, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
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