Talk:Greeks in Bulgaria

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A fact from Greeks in Bulgaria appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 22 February 2007. The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that large-scale Greek settlement in what is today Bulgaria dates to the 7th century BC?

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Total number of Greeks in Bulgaria in 1903[edit]

I'm sorry but the source specified for this table ("Гърците в България") clearly states: "По това време гърците са наброявали 85000 души.". User TodorBozhinov, if you don't agree with the reference remove it (and the whole table), but please don't revert my changes. Thanks. Causantin (talk) 10:09, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You have nothing to be sorry about, just specify the source when inserting such content in the future. I'm not expected to know that you're using my sources to reference something else without providing a footnote yourself. And especially if you're citing a Bulgarian source without a stated knowledge of Bulgarian :) I was just assuming you're taking your info from somewhere else and not citing it, or worse, even making stuff up.

It is weird, though, that between 1900 and 1903 the Greek community in Bulgaria "grew" by 50,000. Might be a matter of counting the Karakachani or not. Anyway, takes for the inclusion and take care. Todor →Bozhinov 10:26, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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POV

This article seems highly biased, all of its sources in order to testify its statements comes from a Bulgarian historian named Anastas Angleov written in the Bulgarian language.In all the article suggests that the Greek presence in modern-day Bulgaria was minuscule and in majority it was of Bulgarian origin or Bulgarian ethnic consciousness,yet the ethnic maps posted by cartographers do not support that claim. Judging by the continuous Greek presence in the area from the archaic period to that of the byzantine empire this article needs a lot of improvement and less of a pov character. DiogenesLaertios (talk) 12:20, 5 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sarakatsani Greeks[edit]

@Jingiby: I suggest this: We can add the number of Sarakatsani next to the number of (other) Greeks and to point out that there are Sarakatsani withouy Greek consciousness. However, the Sarakatsani with Bulgarian consciousness, as it is reasonable, to the census belong to the Bulgarians. BILL1 (talk) 16:20, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Karakachani per Bulgarian census data, are people who identify them as Karakachani and are simply Karakachani. They obviously do not identify themselves as Greeks or Bulgarians and choose another option. Your POV is not supported for now by reliable source. Jingiby (talk) 16:33, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Jingiby: There isn't "Sarakatsani nation" or "Sarakatsani identity". There are already sources that proves it, in this article. There is the Sarakatsani sub-group of Greek nation. Also, I have proofs for the Greek consciousness of Sarakatsani at Bulgaria. Wait me, I return. BILL1 (talk) 16:46, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Jingiby:

https://www.xanthipress.gr/sarakatsani-sto-sliven-tis-voulgarias/

http://www.hxwsarakatsanwn.gr/component/k2/item/376-sarakatsanoi-tis-voulgarias

BILL1 (talk) 17:00, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe it's good to read Wikipedia:Reliable sources. The articles you presented above do not have the quality of reliable sources. Good is to read for example. Policy, mobility and everyday culture in competition in the identity construction (The case of Karakachans in Bulgaria). January 2017, Glasnik Etnografskog instituta 65(3):639-652, Belgrade, Serbia, Authors: Nacho Dimitrov, Bulgarian Academy of Sciences, DOI: https://doi.org/10.2298/GEI1703639D UDC 314.7:39(497.2) Original scientific paper, link https://www.researchgate.net/publication/323092218_Policy_mobility_and_everyday_culture_in_competition_in_the_identity_construction_The_case_of_Karakachans_in_Bulgaria Greetings. Jingiby (talk) 17:19, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]