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May 22, 2008Good article nomineeNot listed
June 13, 2008Good article nomineeNot listed
October 23, 2008Good article nomineeListed
December 11, 2008Peer reviewReviewed
December 20, 2008Featured article candidateNot promoted
June 6, 2009Featured article candidateNot promoted
November 16, 2009Peer reviewReviewed
Current status: Good article

older comments[edit]

I'm not sure if this in and of itself could be used as a reference, but I know it has links to references: http://www.colorado.edu/IBS/PP/menken/courses/socy5031/sample2.PDF WhisperToMe (talk) 20:29, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Colonial House[edit]

I wonder how much notability the Colonial House complex would need to have before it is specifically mentioned. It was known in Houston in the 1980s because of commercials by Michael Pollock. http://www.chron.com/CDA/archives/archive.mpl?id=1987_440130 WhisperToMe (talk) 05:15, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I remember this guy. I recall that he would give a VCR to anyone who would lease an apartment at this place. Is the Colonial House complex still there? Postoak (talk) 06:27, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
AFAIK it is. It's just owned by someone else. And your recollection is correct (as per the "Drugs, neglect transform `single scene' to slums" article [1])
"By the time Michael Pollack, the flamboyant blond-maned apartment maven was hawking free VCRs for new tenants of Colonial House Apartments about three years ago, the neighborhood was already on the decline. Today, Colonial House is in foreclosure and police who patrol the surrounding area can point out the apartments where they routinely serve criminal warrants."

WhisperToMe (talk) 07:00, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Check this out..."In beautiful southwest Houston!"..lol Postoak (talk) 07:13, 6 October 2008 (UTC) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLnLsrK5Tjs here's another...so long ago :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WC5mvVXGGjc&NR=1[reply]
Those ads are very cool... and retro. If I could establish that Colonial House has a regional notability I could mention it specifically in this article. WhisperToMe (talk) 08:23, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
And thanks for making me feel old. :P I thought I saw some archives regarding this, I'll try to track it down this (what's left of) weekend. --Hourick (talk) 07:29, 9 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You feel old? I graduated from UH in 1982 and moved into my first apartment in beautiful Fondren Southwest (Rainy Meadows Apts. on Bobwhite). The place was incredible and run like a resort. We had a 24 hour Weingarten's store, Target and a multiplex theater nearby. Rapid change around 1986 when I left. Postoak (talk) 18:36, 9 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Education section[edit]

Hi, just chiming in with some suggestions per a message left on my talk page by WhisperToMe. I just tried to rewrite the Education section because it jumps from one topic to another and back again, but I got too confused. I think the section should be ordered early childhood/elementary/middle/high (no need for subheadings, just paragraphs) rather than chronologically. Someone with knowledge of this area (who hopefully would not become as confused as I did) should rewrite this section - plot what the section should say, then rewrite it in one go, because it currently reads like bits of info were added here and there. Feel free to take information out - for example, the free lunch programs are mentioned more than once. I would also merge the public and private education sections and rename "Colleges and universities" to "Community college". Hope that helps, and sorry I was unable to make the changes myself. :( Somno (talk) 06:01, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Since some of the schools mentioned are combined elementary and middle schools I may make one elementary school/middle school section and one high school section. :) WhisperToMe (talk) 17:18, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also I still have a separate section on Gulfton public school students as I believe the data reflects elementary through high school. The elementary/middle school section is still disorganized, but I'll think about how to reorganize it. As the YES Prep Lee grows to the high school level I may have to mention it twice or find a separate state charter school section or something. WhisperToMe (talk) 17:33, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, so far the elementary/middle schools section is organized like this:

  • Listing of HISD zoned public schools that serve Gulfton
  • History of HISD zoned public schools (how Cunningham opened, then it got overcrowded, then Benavidez opened and it got overcrowded, etc.)
  • Listing of state charter schools
  • Supplementary programs (the head start centers at Benavidez and a charter school)
  • How Gulfton students are not eligible to ride the bus to elementary school

But that seems haphazard. I'll think about how to reorganize the section. WhisperToMe (talk) 17:39, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Alright, I moved the history of elementary schools to a new section, while the main section describes the elementary and middle schools in the area. WhisperToMe (talk) 19:54, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

GA Reviews[edit]

I've archived the three GA Reviews to sub-pages. They can be accessed via the {{ArticleHistory}} box at the top of this page. Dr. Cash (talk) 16:12, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thank you, Dr. Cash! Thank you to all of the reviewers and contributors! I wonder if there is a possibility of this article further being improved to an FA - But anyway, it's great that two Houston neighborhoods are now at GA status. I wish to use Gulfton and River Oaks as models for more Houston subdivisions and neighborhoods WhisperToMe (talk) 02:34, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

History section[edit]

The following sentence in the History section does not make any sense at all and it needs to be re-written: "A July 17, 1988, Houston Chronicle article stated that rent rates were about the same at poorly-maintained apartments in Gulfton and other Houston areas and well-maintained apartments in other areas in Houston." —RJN (talk) 22:55, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thanks for catching that! Here: " A July 17, 1988, Houston Chronicle article stated that rent rates were about the same at poorly-maintained apartments in Gulfton and other Houston areas as the rates at well-maintained apartments in other areas in Houston." - What I am trying to say was that the rent rates at the poorly maintaines complexes were about the same as the rent rates in the well-maintained complexes. WhisperToMe (talk) 01:02, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Responses to comments in the failed FA nomination[edit]

This is in response to some sections of Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Gulfton, Houston/archive1.

In response to some of Blueap's points about the photos:

  • 1. I will try to retake many of the photos on a day with good weather
  • 2. I could try a crop of the lead photo - But it may be easier to retake the intersection when there is a lack of traffic. I'll try to get closer to the apartments, but while keeping the street signs (a "signature" of the intersection of being where it is) in the photo. Also I'll try to get a shot of the Lantern Village Apartments.
  • 3. You said: "Neither the picture nor the text explain how the remodelled store is supposed to appeal better to Hispanics (as a non-US person who lived in Houston for 3 years, I just can't see it...)." - 1. The picture has a large "Benvenidos a Kroger" sign, in red, green, and white, visible on the exterior. This definitely shows that the store is intended to appeal to Hispanics. Now, there is no additional information from the article used as a source about how the store specifically was redesigned to appeal to Hispanics. If I get a chance to on Christmas Day or another not-so-busy day, I could try to get a photo of the store without the cars. Please keep in mind that it is normal for cars to fill parking lots like this, and I can't just order everyone to get rid of their cars.
  • 4. Regarding "The photos of the schools looks like a gallery." - Wikipedia:Gallery redirects to the gallery tag - strictly speaking, there is no "gallery" in the schools section as there is no use of the gallery tag. As for how the schools are illustrated, all three elementary schools as well as Long and Lee significantly serve Gulfton, so all of their photos should remain in the article. There is a lot of text in the school section (although this could change), so there is room for all of the pictures. Now, as for individual pictures, I could retake Long so the sign isn't there. Please keep in mind that the fence is a part of the school grounds, so it should be acceptable for the fence to be in the picture.
  • 5. I will also retake Cunningham to remove the sign. I could try to retake Rodriguez so the car isn't visible in the lower right. I'm not really sure how to get a better view of Lee (I could drive around) WhisperToMe (talk) 00:25, 21 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As for Aude's concerns, one aspect is "The reasoning given "agency originally envisioned "more of an express service" in that area" leaves me puzzled. What is meant by express service or what form? an express bus line? More information on the University Line, as it relates to Gulfton would be useful." - The agency envisioned an express light rail service. I'll see if this needs to be more clearly indicated or if it is clearly indicated. As for how the proposed line related to Gulfton, I'll see if METRO has finalized a route and the number of stops. WhisperToMe (talk) 00:25, 21 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Another resource[edit]

There is http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=DM&p_theme=dm&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=0ED3D0922574CC61&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM WhisperToMe (talk) 22:24, 19 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Also there are many articles about DRG, HUD, and the Colonial House apartments. AFAIK they say little about Gulfton itself, but it is an interesting part of the history. WhisperToMe (talk) 14:26, 20 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.neighborhood-centers.org/uploads/sfth_aug05.pdf - And a 2005 page from Neighborhood Centers which discusses Gulfton. WhisperToMe (talk) 00:07, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Lucia, Andrea. "Volunteers confront Harris County communities' fears about the census." KHOU. March 14, 2010 - discusses how some people in Gulfton were afraid of the census volunteers. WhisperToMe (talk) 20:31, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Harris County courthouse[edit]

http://www.eng.hctx.net/pdf/HCPID%202009%20CIP.pdf - The county plans to build a new courthouse on Boone Road, replacing the one on Chimney Rock. WhisperToMe (talk) 20:23, 16 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.co.harris.tx.us/Yfs/PDF/YFS%20Newsletter%201_06.pdf talks about the construction of the Harris County Family Abuse Shelter that is in the area. WhisperToMe (talk) 05:48, 10 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Spanish article[edit]

Here is the English version:

And here is the Spanish version:

WhisperToMe (talk) 17:50, 24 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Kroger[edit]

Looks like the Gulfton location will be closing. I'm confident that another brand will replace it. [2] Postoak (talk) 18:21, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Ouch! I was not expecting that! I just added that info to the article WhisperToMe (talk) 06:05, 24 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Origin of Gulfton Drive[edit]

At a lecture at the Museum of Natural Science I learned that Gulfton originates from the Gulf Oil Company, and the Fournace section was renamed after a Texaco employee since they did not want to be on a street named after a competitor.

But I want to find a hard RS so I can source the tidbit in the article... WhisperToMe (talk) 01:30, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Bike transportation plan[edit]

WhisperToMe (talk) 03:53, 31 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Festival[edit]

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/staff_support/victimservices/Schedule.pdf "National Crime Victims' Rights Week April 10-16, 2005" says on April 16, 2005 the Gulfton Walk and Festival was held The walk started at Benavidez ES Parking Lot 10:00-10:30 The Festival, at Burnett Bayland Park, went from 11:00-3:00 WhisperToMe (talk) 22:38, 17 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Labor site[edit]

WhisperToMe (talk) 20:45, 31 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

FAMSA Spanish citation[edit]

The Spanish citation for FAMSA is at:

WhisperToMe (talk) 08:20, 30 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Graffiti[edit]

WhisperToMe (talk) 22:32, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

About specific apartments[edit]

General:

Alexander House (6060 Gulfton)

Chateau Carmel (5621 Westward)

  • "A NEW WAY TO FIGHT CRIME / Ministers trained in crisis, gang intervention do ride-alongs with police in effort to improve the quality of life in Gulfton / HPD, pastors work together" - PACT Team initially focused on it and Napoleon Square

French Quarter (6233 Gulfton) (Seems to be now called "Westward Square")

  • "Farb sells office building, 2 apartment complexes" says that French Quarter has 672 units, and was sold to Western Capital from Harold Farb in March 1985

Rampart Gardens (6300 Rampart Street)

  • "AFRAID TO BE COUNTED / New immigrants often bring fears from homelands" says that it has 180 units and is among the smallest of the Gulfton area apartments

Willow Creek Apartments

Sierra Vista Apartments (5500 El Camino Del Rey Houston, TX) WhisperToMe (talk) 06:34, 30 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Businesses[edit]

I may try to photograph these later

WhisperToMe (talk) 21:53, 30 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Harris County block book maps[edit]

I'll do Gulfton's later, but I found a bit of Westmoreland Farms which indicates where development went:

Also:

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