Talk:Guo Zongxun

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Requested move 6 July 2015[edit]

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The result of the move request was: moved. Jenks24 (talk) 08:26, 21 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Chai Zongxun → Guo Zongxun – To put it simply, there is no evidence as far as I know he ever used the surname "Chai" during his life even though he was the biological son of Chai Rong (who ideally should be at Guo Rong from a historical standpoint, but Chai Rong is acceptable since this is the name modern people are more familiar with due to folklore, novels etc., and that he actually has used the name). When Zongxun was born, his father was already known as "Guo Rong". See here: [1] which identifies them as "Chai Rong" and "Guo Zongxun" respectively. Also see The Cambridge History of China Volume 5, Figure 3. "Genealogy of Later Han and Later Chou ruling houses", which lists them as "Kuo Jung" (wade-giles spelling of "Guo Rong") and "Kuo Tsung-hsün" ("Guo Zongxun"). Both "Guo Zongxun" and "Chai Zongxun" generated 7 results on Google Books so I don't think anyone can argue WP:COMMONNAME. The Five Dynasties period is extremely confusing with people changing their surnames back and forth for allegiance purposes, but I agree with the current practice largely adopted by User:Nlu which is to use a surname only if there is evidence that he himself, and not his father or his son, has used that surname. See the titles of Li Cunshen (father) and Fu Yanqing (son who BTW may be Guo Zongxun's maternal grandfather), even though many history books call Li Cunshen "Fu Cunshen" which is wrong. --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 21:18, 13 July 2015 (UTC) Timmyshin (talk) 19:46, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support. For reasons Timmyshin stated. (However, it should be noted that the Song kept referring to "Chai" in official documents, albeit, in my opinion, as a way of blunting Zhao Kuangyin's usurpation.) --Nlu (talk) 02:39, 7 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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