Talk:Hans Werner Henze

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Added some particulars about his political beliefs. Also explained why his librettist was arrested at the Hamburg premiere of the Che Guevara requiem. The article still needs some fleshing out. The reference at the end is a good source for additional information. Dtaw2001 18:42, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I've added some more stuff in, mostly details about his style at different times in his career, including details about the wonderful ballet "Ondine". His operas all need more analysis, and some more stuff on his more recent music would be great. He wil be the Opera Project's composer of the month for June, so if my fellow members could work on any of this it would be great. Thank you.Moreschi 14:16, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Six months ago now Henry Flower revised the opening section to include a summary of influences, which includes "Italian music". I wonder if he or someone else more familiar with Henze's output than I am could make this a little more specific, since music by composers as diverse as Francesco Landini, Giovanni Pierluigi da Palestrina, Antonio Vivaldi, Giuseppe Verdi, Luigi Denza, Luigi Russolo, and Agostino di Scipio are all "Italian music". The text later mentions Neapolitan music, which suggests Denza and not the others, but only to someone already very well-versed in Italian musical styles. Such a drastic restriction, on the other hand, may not be a fair characterization.--Jerome Kohl 21:17, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Intro[edit]

Shouldn't the introduction talk more about his music then his political beliefs? - 72.9.27.26 (talk) 21:27, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. While Henze has been extremely political, including effectively inciting a riot at one of his performances in Germany, he has spent his adult life totally immersed in music. His amazing output is possibly unequalled in sheer volume by any other 20th C. composer. The list of political tidbits in the intro to this article make the article sound tendentious. Having just read the impressive Hindemith, Hartmann and Henze by Guy Richards (Phaedon Press, 1995, ISBN 0 7148 3174 3) and this interesting and moving interview with the living composer, I hope to find time to do some editing on the uneven quality of Henze's Wikipedia entry. JacquesDelaguerre (talk) 00:22, 26 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Did a little work on the intro. Hope it helps. JacquesDelaguerre (talk) 01:01, 26 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Composer project review[edit]

I've reviewed this article as part of the Composers project review of its B-class articles. This is a pretty nice article; it has a few problems that I describe in my review on the comments page. Questions and comments should be left here or on my talk page. Magic♪piano 15:13, 21 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment comment[edit]

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==Composers Project Assessment of Hans Werner Henze: 2009-01-21==

This is an assessment of article Hans Werner Henze by a member of the Composers project, according to its assessment criteria. This review was done by Magicpiano.

If an article is well-cited, the reviewer is assuming that the article reflects reasonably current scholarship, and deficiencies in the historical record that are documented in a particular area will be appropriately scored. If insufficient inline citations are present, the reviewer will assume that deficiencies in that area may be cured, and that area may be scored down.

Adherence to overall Wikipedia standards (WP:MOS, WP:WIAGA, WP:WIAFA) are the reviewer's opinion, and are not a substitute for the Wikipedia's processes for awarding Good Article or Featured Article status.

===Origins/family background/studies=== Does the article reflect what is known about the composer's background and childhood? If s/he received musical training as a child, who from, is the experience and nature of the early teachers' influences described?

ok

===Early career=== Does the article indicate when s/he started composing, discuss early style, success/failure? Are other pedagogic and personal influences from this time on his/her music discussed?

few personal details

===Mature career=== Does the article discuss his/her adult life and composition history? Are other pedagogic and personal influences from this time on his/her music discussed?

few personal details

===List(s) of works=== Are lists of the composer's works in WP, linked from this article? If there are special catalogs (e.g. Köchel for Mozart, Hoboken for Haydn), are they used? If the composer has written more than 20-30 works, any exhaustive listing should be placed in a separate article.

ok

===Critical appreciation=== Does the article discuss his/her style, reception by critics and the public (both during his/her life, and over time)?

Difficult to separate critical from popular reception.

===Illustrations and sound clips=== Does the article contain images of its subject, birthplace, gravesite or other memorials, important residences, manuscript pages, museums, etc? Does it contain samples of the composer's work (as composer and/or performer, if appropriate)? (Note that since many 20th-century works are copyrighted, it may not be possible to acquire more than brief fair use samples of those works, but efforts should be made to do so.) If an article is of high enough quality, do its images and media comply with image use policy and non-free content policy? (Adherence to these is needed for Good Article or Featured Article consideration, and is apparently a common reason for nominations being quick-failed.)

No images or sound.

===References, sources and bibliography=== Does the article contain a suitable number of references? Does it contain sufficient inline citations? (For an article to pass Good Article nomination, every paragraph possibly excepting those in the lead, and every direct quotation, should have at least one footnote.) If appropriate, does it include Further Reading or Bibliography beyond the cited references?

Article has references, one of which is autobiography; no inline citations.

===Structure and compliance with WP:MOS=== Does the article comply with Wikipedia style and layout guidelines, especially WP:MOS, WP:LEAD, WP:LAYOUT, and possibly WP:SIZE? (Article length is not generally significant, although Featured Articles Candidates may be questioned for excessive length.)

ok

===Things that may be necessary to pass a Good Article review===

Article requires more inline citations (WP:CITE)
Article needs (more) images and/or other media (MOS:IMAGE)

===Summary=== This is a pretty nice article about a modern composer. Its principal content defect is a lack of personal detail in the biography; this is in some ways understandable, given that his life may have been somewhat closeted. However, it should be made clearer that this sort of information is not readily available. I also had trouble discerning popular from critical success: for example, was the premiere of Die Bassariden a critical or popular success (or both)? The article would benefit from some images; even a publicity still would be acceptable.

The article's sources include the subject's autobiography. Editors should be wary of using such sources heavily; over-reliance on them borders on WP:SELFPUB, and may give rise to problems similar to the Alma problem. Since this article has no inline citations, we have no way of knowing the level of reliance in this article; this is a problem.

Article is B-class. Magic♪piano 15:10, 21 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Last edited at 15:10, 21 January 2009 (UTC). Substituted at 17:08, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

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