Talk:Hari Raya Aidilfitri

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Failed Good Article[edit]

This article over is essentially information about Ramadan and Eid ul-Fitr as it applies to Malaysia. As a result, I am proposing a merge into Eid ul-Fitr. joturner 21:52, 9 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This article was broken out from Eid ul-Fitr because it was taking up too much space in the article. Johnleemk | Talk 10:38, 10 February 2006 (U

It was hard to understand it

Bold text==Literal Translation== I refute the literal translation of Hari Raya Aidilfitri as "Celebration Day of Fasting". Aidilfitri is a transliteration of the Aribic term Eid ul-Fitr. Hari Raya is a translation of Eid ul-Fitr. However, this is not at literal translation. Hari Raya and Aidilfitri put together in one expression hence becomes a tautology. In an article about a Malay phenomenon we want the literal translation of the Malay part of the term, which is Hari Raya or possibly Hari Raya Puasa. We should not accept a literal translation of a transliteration from Arabic mixed with Malay. Here it is important to clarify what it is that is being literally translated. "Hari Raya Aidilfitri (also seen as Hari Raya Idul Fitri and Hari Raya Puasa, literally 'Celebration Day of Fasting'" is not a clear sentence.

Eid is an Arabic word meaning "festivity", while Fiṭr means "to break fast". But the literal translation from Malay to English should be from the Malay translation of Eid ul-Fitr, not the transliteration.

The best literal translation of raya is big. It does not mean celebration or festivity. Sambutan is celebration or festivity according to Kamus Dwibahasa Oxford Fajar edisi keempat. Kamus Dwibahasa Oxford Fajar translates raya only as a verb (merayakan) and defines it as celebrate. However, dictionaries in Malay language provide more nuance. Tesaurus Bahasa Melayu Dewan 1998, Kamus Pelajar and other Malay dictionaries defines raya only as an adjective meaning big (besar). Kamus Dewan Bahasa Edisi Tiga clarifies the misconception that can arise from the translation in Kamus Dwibahasa Oxford Fajar:

"merayakan memuliakan (memperingati, meramaikan) hari besar (hari peringatan, peristiwa penting, dll)"

Loosely translated to English: merayakan to hounor (and remember) a big day.

Meanwhile, as all other mono-lingual dictionaries, Kamus Dewan Bahasa Edisi Tiga defines raya as big (besar). So for anyone who understands Malay prefixes (imbuhan) it becomes clear that the translation of raya as celebrate is inappropriate. Merayakan certainly can be translated to celebrate but that is not the term we are translating. Raya in the context of Hari Raya or Hari Raya Puasa is clearly an adjective meaning big. This is why we can say berhari raya and merayakan hari raya. If you are still not persuaded, please compare this to other similar terms containing the term raya:

Malay	Literal Translation	Good English Translation	Bad English Translation
row 1, Jalan raya	row 1, Big road	row 1, High way	row 1, Celebration road
row 2, Bunga raya	row 2, Big flower	row 2, Big flower	row 2, Celebration flower
row 3, Kota/Bandar raya	row 3, Big city	row 3, Big city	row 3, Celebration city
row 4, Kerja raya	row 4, Big work	row 4, Public service	row 4, Celebration work
row 5, Kaya raya	row 5, Big rich (comp. rich big time)	row 5, Very rich	row 5, Celebration rich
row 6, Pilihan raya	row 6, Big choice	row 6, Election	row 6, Celebration choice
row 7, Tanah raya	row 7, Big soil	row 7, Continent or a lot of land	row 7, Celebration soil
row 7, Sambutan raya	row 7, Big celebration	row 7, Celebration of the big day	row 7, Celebration of the celebration day

The best literal translation of Hari Raya is Big Day and the best literal translation of Hari Raya Puasa is Big Day of Fasting. I deleted the parenthesis in the first sentence with the literal translation because it could not be made clear which term it was that was translated. Then I changed the translation in a following sentence to Big Day. I hope that I have chosen my words wisely. If you think I have not, please let me know and I will do my best to improve.

Masalih (talk) 04:16, 27 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dead links[edit]

Both references are dead. I have removed them. Also, Hari Raya redirects to Hari Raya Aidilfitri so don't link to Hari Raya in this article.

    perayaan hari raya aidifitri disambut pada bulan syawal.Dengan itu,bila tibanya hari raya ini ada orang bergembira dan ada juga bersedih.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.132.10.166 (talk) 07:34, 10 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]