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First POV complaint[edit]

this article is very "opinionated" as in biased npov. Also some links would be nice.

I agree, it read like a piece of propaganda created by the USA to discredit the Chinese government. A more neutral point of view would be nice. Also, sign your post. 24.89.245.62 02:36, 15 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The article now appears to have a NPOV.75.158.24.84 (talk) 19:00, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think this article should be renamed to Scientific Development Perspective. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Colipon (talk • contribs) 01:39, 15 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merger proposal[edit]

River crab (internet slang) is clearly related to and derived from this. The term does not have any significance outside of it. Ohconfucius (talk) 08:07, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. This should not be a controversial move. We can just rm and redirect...? Colipon+(Talk) 08:18, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Undue weight[edit]

There is nothing in the main part of an article but a section on internet censorship. It's as if the main focus is on censorship, rather than government policies which strive to create a harmonious society. So I'm asking that more should be added on that subject.--Alasdair 16:28, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Current POV complaint[edit]

stubbing for resolution. 72.228.177.92 (talk) 23:01, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I can't make sense of the prior thread relative to the tag that is there now and the state of the article going back to the date currently set in it. Will remove the tag if there's nothing specific to address as there doesn't in fact appear to have been any discussion in the last 90 days 72.228.177.92 (talk) 23:05, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Splitting[edit]

Due to the POV complaint and the undue weight above mentioned, I don't think Merger was an good idea. I'm Splitting it and using a {{Main}} to relate them.--Tomchen1989 (talk) 04:14, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Harmony in Chinese Politics[edit]

I am a student in a class called Music in International Relations and I am currently conducting a research on the Concept of Harmony in Chinese politics. I too agree that this article could be written with a more neutral point of view, not merely a criticism on the usage of the term "Harmonious Society" by the Communist Party of China (CCP). In fact, the concept of harmony in politics originated back in the time of Confucius. Music, under Confucian concepts, has the power to transform people to become more civilized because it has the function of cultivating mind and body. The ancient governments of China, in turn, utilized Qin music with a purpose to maintain peace and balance in the society. The source for the above claim is: Ko, Yi-Fang. “Confucianism in Qin Music.” Chinese Music 29, no. 2 (2006): 32-39. Furthermore, I found the claim in the article "the government often uses "Harmonious Society" as a euphemism to justify the suppression of dissent and the tight control on information in China" highly subjective. A more objective way of writing would focus on how the concept of "Harmonious Society" is different from previous political slogans. In other words, "Why 'Harmonious Society' now?" I think this is when we should begin to closely examine the Presidency of Hu Jintao, who is considered more reform-minded and liberal. His other message is scientific development, which stresses on science and technology. The source is: Geis, John and Blaine Holt. “ ‘Harmonious Society’ Rise of the New China.” Strategic Studies Quarterly 3, no. 4 (2009): 75-94. One huge timing factor for President Hu's message at the time was the problem of social inequality/ wealth gap, which if not dealt immediately, could lead to social unrest and even turmoil. A key reason contributing to a widening wealth gap was social injustice, which features collusion between entrepreneurs and officials. Through collusion, entrepreneurs were able to buy land from farmers and then sell it at high prices. Furthermore, with the protection of local officials, private coalmine owners simply ignored safety regulations to cut production costs. As a result, thousands of miners are killed in accidents. Hence, President Hu’s “harmonious society” also aims to deal with corruption and promote more social justice and equality. Source: Zhong, Wu. “China yearns for Hu's 'harmonious society'.” Atimes.com. Last modified October 11, 2006. http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/HJ11Ad01.html. ````Kaihua9182 13:23, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaihua9182 (talk • contribs) 16:55, 12 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, your contributions are highly welcome, and an academic treatment of the concept is long overdue. I encourage you to continue editing this article! Colipon+(Talk) 14:21, 4 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You may also read up a bit on the Scientific development concept while working on this article. Colipon+(Talk) 14:46, 4 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"Socialist" harmonious society?[edit]

Could somebody please explain this move from "harmonious society" to "socialist harmonious society"? The former is the only way I've read it in sources and is a direct translation of the Chinese. Shrigley (talk) 17:03, 1 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, "Socialist Harmonious Society" is the officially wording, but for some reason Western writers have shorten it to "Harmonious Society" (probably because they believe that the Communist Party is not socialist anymore, so its a waste of space)... Anyhow, the official version uses "Socialist Harmonious Society", all official Chinese writing on the term use "Socialist Harmonious Society" and not "Harmonious Society". --TIAYN (talk) 21:05, 1 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, so as I looked into it more, I do see more of an occurrence of "socialist harmonious society" in Chinese, at least in Hu Jintao's speeches. However, I think it's beyond dispute that "harmonious society" is the conventional English translation of the concept, see e.g. these English-language papers dedicated to describing "harmonious society", which don't add the "socialist" prefix and glass as hexie shehui without socialism[1][2][3][4] - even the Chinese government itself uses this phrase "harmonious society" alone.[5] What might be happening here is that "socialist" is an adjectival modifier to "harmonious society", and not part of the concept itself. Shrigley (talk) 21:24, 1 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No, the official name is "Socialist Harmonious Society", but you're right, people have had a tendency to shorten it... Its no different from Scientific development concept, scientific in that instance meaning scientific socialism (literally Marxism) and not practical science.... If you haven't noticed, throughout his tenure as leader Hu Jintao liked to emphasize "socialism" a lot [this reminds me of the Soviets].... I won't object if you move the article back, however, if you do so, you have to make it clear that the official name of the concept is the Socialist Harmonious Society (or Harmonious Socialist Society) and not the Harmonious Society, which is the shortened and often used instead of the official full wording. --TIAYN (talk) 22:16, 1 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The official internett page of the People's Republic of China (china.org.cn) uses the term "Socialist Harmonious Society" --TIAYN (talk) 22:21, 1 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Facepalm That page links to the china.org.cn wiki, which anyone can edit.[6] Here are some Xinhua articles that have gone through editorial review on china.org.cn: "CPC Seeks Advice on Building Harmonious Society", "Religion Can Contribute to Building a Harmonious Society", "China to Build Harmonious Society with Wisdom of Taoism", "Scholar Explores Harmonious Society Concept"; none of which mention a "socialist harmonious society", and some of which even have "harmonious society" and "socialist society" separately within a single sentence, drawing on Taoist concepts. Shrigley (talk) 23:10, 1 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, see

There are more.... However, what I've found out is this; the official wording is "Harmonious Socialist Society" and not "Socialist Harmonious Society"....., --TIAYN (talk) 08:55, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Move request[edit]

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The result of the move request was: move the page, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 02:03, 3 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Socialist Harmonious Society → Harmonious Society – use most common name according to all searches and Chinese name, also the concept is not new. Gryffindor (talk) 23:45, 26 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support move. Colipon+(Talk) 14:07, 27 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support move. My fault, I shouldn't have moved it in the first place :p --TIAYN (talk) 22:38, 27 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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