Talk:Hawaii/Archive 8

picture of kaui

Why is there a satellite picture instead of brian baptiste? can someone change it? I dont know how. thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.209.100.102 (talk) 02:15, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Hawaii vs Easter Island Remotest

I pulled up Google Earth to measure the distances.

Both are approximately 2300 miles from a continent The shortest distances I found were:

Hawaii: 2266 miles Easter Island: 2294 miles

One also could make the argument as to what is the definition of the word remote. Easter island is remote because it is a lone body of land (island) by it self not part of a chain of islands like Hawaii is. So in the true sense of the English word remote meaning not near anything else, the Hawaiian Islands "remoteness" fails due to the fact it is a huge island chain. Additionally if you drew a circumference on a map of say 2200 miles from Easter Island and one of the Hawaiian islands, there are a lot more other islands in the Hawaiian area.

I think it's safe to say Easter Island is more remote. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.88.149.218 (talk) 18:27, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Health Care

I've added a section on health care, since that's an aspect of Hawaii that people (ok, liberals anyway) frequently want to know more about. Unfortunately, my source is fifteen years out of date, so if anyone knows more about the topic, please update! Schreibergasse (talk) 02:04, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Hawaiian antiquity section

Someone had mangled this section badly, so that it was no longer coherent. I don't know how long it was that way. I was copyediting the ethnicity section and I noticed the problem in the antiquity section. I rewrote extensively. References are needed badly there. I wrote from what I know, which is a fair bit, thanks to graduate school and recent work copyediting Hawaiian history books. Having rewritten several major articles yesterday and today, I badly need to attend to real life, so did not stop to look up references. Someone please help!

It would be good to have breakout articles on the settlement date and Pa'ao disputes. Working on these articles would be a good class project for a class in Hawaiian history. Zora 08:13, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

I have added a pice of history by Solomon Pele'olani a noted Hawai'ian historian. I feel that it appropriate that this is included here along with genetic material that appears to add strength to this history. Peter Marsh www.polynesian-prehistory.com 58.169.201.13 13:01, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Removed the paragraphs on the theory of Solomon Pele'olani because it appears to be original research (Policy on original research), and therefore not appropriate for Wikipedia. The linguistic ideas are not consistent with generally accepted theories of the origin of the Polynesian languages, and the genetic results may have other interpretations. Davidimai 00:58, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Peter Marsh put it back. But I'm afraid I've undone that again, and this is why. Peter Marsh has been pushing this line on sci.archaeology, and Dr. Ross Clark replied as follows: " the original (or as close as we are likely to get to it) is available online at http://www.kekoolani.org/Pages/1019%20Hookumukalani%20Hookumukahonua%20WEB/index.htm

Unfortunately, what we see is a typed transcript (probably early 20th century -- the dating is unclear -- Solomon L.K.Peleioholani died in 1916) of a manuscript original. There is a marginal notation that says something like "original in poor condition, discarded" [@#$%^&*!!?!]

Several passages are given in Hawaiian, with English translation following. These read much like other Hawaiian chants describing creation, prayers to the gods, etc. Nothing like the narrative below appears in any obvious fashion.

Then we have numbered comments, in English only. It is here that "Kalonakikeke" is identified as Alaska, with no further explanation, It is hard to tell whether these go back to Peleioholani or are the work of J.K.Poepoe, the transcriber and translator. A sub-note identifies the first part of "Kanaka-Hikina" and "Kanaka-Komohana", which in ordinary Hawaiian would mean "eastern people" and "western people", with Canada! , which hardly inspires confidence in the other interpretations. At one point there is a passage in Hawaiian re "Haalewawahilani" [lit. floating in the heavenly regions], where it says "He kai moana keia, ua uhi paa ia e ka Hau Kohi, a oki hoi oia ia Ice. O ke kai keia o ka Moana o Alika (Arctic Ocean)" [This is a great sea completely covered with ice...], which may indicate that this interpretation goes back to Peleioholani -- though I emphasize that the chant text provides no context to support such an interpretation. And the identification of "Ka-Houpo-o-Kane" as Taiwan would seem to be a modern innovation; at least I have not found it in this ms.

Amusingly, some helpful soul has added to the Wikipedia entry the note that "Tap'enkeng is an ancient name for Formosa" -- apparently struck by some resemblance between "Tap'enkeng" and "Ka-Houpo-o-Kane". Of course we have no idea what any ancient name for Formosa might have been. Tap'enkeng is the (Chinese) name of a cave site in northern Taiwan with early neolithic remains."

Given what Dr Clark has said, I don't think that Peter Marsh's edit should stand. Dougweller 18:13, 13 November 2007 (UTC) Removed once again.Dougweller (talk) 10:30, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Archive 7

I have archived some stale threads to the 7th archive. --Talk to Stealth500 (talk) 18:14, 7 January 2008 (UTC)