Talk:Hawaiian rebellions (1887–1895)

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Title[edit]

The title is misleading. If you are only talking about revolutions in a certain period, include that in the title. Or is the plan to summarize as many as we can throughout history? e.g. the 1819 battle of Kuamoʻo, the rebellion led by Humehume in 1824, Hawaii Democratic Revolution of 1954 etc. which is it? W Nowicki (talk) 18:10, 12 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Let's start with Hawaiian Revolutions (1887–1895). Perhaps the name could be further refined. Viriditas (talk) 02:41, 16 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, the article isn't about revolutions, but rebellions, so moving to Hawaiian Rebellions (1887–1895) instead. Viriditas (talk) 02:44, 16 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

US Involvement[edit]

Why is the US listed in both the Royalist and the Annexationists sections of the box. Thats totally misleading but I dont want to just go in and start deleting things.--$1LENCE D00600D (talk) 09:12, 16 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The US was divided on this issue. If you read about this period in American history you would know that many American citizen and even the presidents were divided on American imperialism. Some Americans like President Harrison and John L. Stevens wanted to annexed Hawaii so they supported the Annexationists; others like President Cleveland and John H. Blount wanted to keep Hawaii independent and the Queen on the throne, so they supported the Royalists.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 17:57, 16 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Either way the US flag featured in two different sections of the belligerents box is completely misleading. It makes it look like the US was in some kind of war against the US. Obviously that doens't make sense so something needs to change. Is it necessary to even include the foreign countries who were involved in the events? None of them were actually at war with Hawaii and the rebellions were a series of events between the Hawaiians themselves, they were not foreign conflicts. Also I might point out that I have probably written more articles about US history in Asia/Pacific in the 1800s than any other editor so please do not insult me again. "Some Americans like President Harrison and John L. Stevens wanted to annexed Hawaii so they supported the Annexationists; others like President Cleveland and John H. Blount wanted to keep Hawaii independent and the Queen on the throne, so they supported the Royalists." Either way the belligerents box is for combatants. Just because some Americans supported the annexationists and other Americans supported the royalists, does not mean they were enemies, as the box suggests, who were trying to destroy each other. The box should only have three sections when it comes to the belligerents/combatants (as it is now). One for the Royalists, one other for the Annexationists and a final for the (other) belligerents. The flags for the US, the UK, and Japan dont need to be there. The only place you might include a US flag and link in the box would be on the Anexationists side, considereing that they won and Hawaii became part of the US, but even then the box should be reserved for only the participating groups that were involved in the actual fighting/revolution. The US was not one of them.--$1LENCE D00600D — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.251.238.149 (talk) 00:59, 4 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Neutrality tag removal[edit]

This tag dates from 2007. I found only one or two places where I could find anything remotely non-neutral. It seems to me that all combatants, their purposes, and their actions are depicted fairly in this article. (I have not read every linked article, but the summaries seem neutral. I changed a couple of references to [sic] the Overthrow of the Hawaiians Kingdom; I think a more neutral phrase would be the overthrow of the monarchy. I'm removing the neutrality tag. Please let me know if you see anything that I missed. Moishe Rosenbaum (talk) 14:52, 5 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]