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A fact from Helen Hope appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 16 August 2020 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that in the 1700s, Helen Hope turned a Scottish moor into a wood and named it after her eldest son?

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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:04, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Binning Wood in 2009

... that in the 1700s, Helen Hope created a wood (pictured) and named it after her eldest son? Source: "In 1700 they moved to the earl's family home of Tyninghame House [...] As soon as that was done, Helen announced that she would like to enclose the Muir of Tyninghame, a piece of rough ground [...] Helen then renamed the area Binning Wood in honour of her ten-year-old elder son, who shared her enthusiasm for planting." - "Hope, Helen, countess of Haddington". Oxford Dictionary of National Biography (online ed.). Oxford University Press. doi:10.1093/ref:odnb/70532
- ALT1:... that in the 1700s, Helen Hope turned a Scottish moor into a wood (pictured) and named it after her eldest son? Source: "In 1700 they moved to the earl's family home of Tyninghame House [...] As soon as that was done, Helen announced that she would like to enclose the Muir of Tyninghame, a piece of rough ground [...] Helen then renamed the area Binning Wood in honour of her ten-year-old elder son, who shared her enthusiasm for planting." - "Hope, Helen, countess of Haddington". Oxford Dictionary of National Biography (online ed.). Oxford University Press. doi:10.1093/ref:odnb/70532

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Cecelia Goetz

Moved to mainspace by Mujinga (talk). Self-nominated at 22:11, 30 July 2020 (UTC).[reply]

Hi Mujinga, review follows: article moved to mainspace 25 July; article exceeds minimum length; article is well written and cited inline throughout to reliable sources; I found no copyright violation from the main ODNB source; A QPQ has been carried out; image is free, but I don't think it adds much value here; I think more interest on the hooks would be added if we give an indication of date, could we add "18th-century" or similar? Hook facts generally check out but I could find no mention in the source that the Tyninghame estate that was planted was previously moorland? I also noted that the ODNB lists her husband's book as Treatise on the manner of raising forest trees (1761) while you have it as a Short Treatise on Forest Trees (1756)? - Dumelow (talk) 10:04, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Dumelow thanks for the review. Yes I agree the picture isn't particularly inspiring :) Muir is Scottish for moorland, so it is mentioned as "Muir of Tyninghame". Good spot on the book title, i got my sources in a tangle there, now fixed - both titles are correct since it was re-issued under a different name and I've added that info. I've added 1700s to the hooks and that made me think of another one, listed below Mujinga (talk) 13:10, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2:... that in the 1700s, Helen Hope created a wood named after her eldest son and it is still there today?
ping to Dumelow Mujinga (talk) 13:13, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Mujinga; I can't believe I missed "muir"! Good to run with any of these hooks - Dumelow (talk) 14:00, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]