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Heliport[edit]

Aren't there some runways for helicopters as well, to increase their performance when taking off or landing? One example could be the Silverstone heliport in England. What is their numbering like? (just 18/36 or 18H/36H?) 213.243.160.111 13:33, 12 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Some heliports have an elongated FATO which may resemble a short runway and will accomodate helicopters with lower performance characteristics including single engine helicopters. While the elongated FATO may resemble a runway it is still a heliport.

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Should we have an example of a makeshift heliport? We have a nice image File:US Navy 110323-N-8646H-001 An aerial view of a helicopter landing zone near an evacuee center shows a .jpg available. 65.93.12.101 (talk) 05:43, 29 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Parking[edit]

I guess this image does not reference to the heliport and should be removed, but maybe I'm wrong? -- kocio (talk) 09:06, 14 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Disputed accuracy - heliport, with helipad information[edit]

This article is flooded with factual errors. Specifically, a significant amount of information (prose and photographs) included is this heliport article is actually for just helipads - which are categorically NOT an heliport. Please clean out all helipad-specific info. 78.32.143.113 (talk) 21:25, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

All heliports have helipads, by definition, so most of the information is related to the topic, so your objections are a bit over the top. Whether or not most helipads are considered heliports is a separate question, and probably involves legal definitions that may vary by definition. Perhaps @Ahunt: can elaborate on that. BilCat (talk) 23:18, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, thanks for the ping on this subject. The terminology around helicopter landing facilities varies around the world, but in general a heliport is a facility with one or more helipads. For instance in Canada the legal definition is: heliport means an aerodrome in respect of which a heliport certificate issued under Subpart 5 of Part III is in force. In Canada there is no legal definition of a "helipad", but the term is used in the AIM to refer to an individual landing spot for a helicopter, which is the common usage, too. So one or more helipads, when licensed, form a heliport. In the US FARs the definition is Heliport means an area of land, water, or structure used or intended to be used for the landing and takeoff of helicopters. So, it is similar, except they do not have to be licensed. The US also has no legal definition of "helipad", but the US AIM has a general definition: HELIPAD− A small, designated area, usually with a prepared surface, on a heliport, airport, landing/take- off area, apron/ramp, or movement area used for takeoff, landing, or parking of helicopters. I think that provides some clarity. In my experience flying helicopters in various countries the terminology is generally similar. I have reviewed the text of this article and, while sorely lacking refs, is at least generally correct and accurate. The same can be said for the Helipad article: it lacks refs, but is generally accurate and correct. - Ahunt (talk) 00:58, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Ahunt. Is there anyway you address the lack of sources, if not now, sometime in the future? BilCat (talk) 01:27, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That is a good question. While what is written is fairly accurate, I don't have any sources available that could be cited to support the text there. Much of it might be able to be sourced to some sort of heliport design criteria manual, if one can be located. - Ahunt (talk) 01:36, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Bill: I think this may be of great use, from Transport Canada - Standard 325 - Heliports - Canadian Aviation Regulations (CARs). I just need to read it all and see what can be done with it to support or modify the text we have in the article already. Feel free to beat me to it if you have the time and inclination. - Ahunt (talk) 00:10, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Okay I have added that ref, done some clean-up and detagging and also found a few more refs, some of which are perhaps not the best. Feel free to adjust as needed! - Ahunt (talk) 15:15, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think you are putting the tail before the dog! This article had subject matter which was referring exclusively to a SINGLE helipad (such as at a hospital, or on top of a sky scraper). A SINGLUALR helipad does NOT make a heliport; in exactly the same way that a singular airstrip does not make an airport. The Oxford English Dictionary makes a difference between helipad and heliport (the latter being an "airport or landing place for helicopters", whereas the former makes no mention of 'airport' for a helipad.)

I spent my entire career in the aviation industry, both rotary and fixed wing. I shall endeavour to search for more specific citations. However, the stuff in this heliport article should not contain information which is exclusively for a helipad. I hope you understand the difference between the specific difference between 'helipad' and 'heliport'. Regards. 78.32.143.113 (talk) 22:42, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry but you are misinformed. I was a helicopter pilot for two decades, but read the refs I cited above. A heliport can indeed consist of one or more helipads, the refs not only support that, but that is precisely what a heliport is. - Ahunt (talk) 22:51, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

And I have spent FIVE DECADES in the aviation industry, military, civilian, British, and European. You are re-inserting factually INCORRECT information, WITHOUT citations, and are refusing to respect the rights of others to 'disagree' with your own opinion! You are truly arrogant! 78.32.143.113 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 22:56, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah I have five decades in aviation too, but so what? Wikipedia does not recognize qualifications as being of any value here, we go by WP:RS, not "I know stuff". You can also note that personal attacks are also not permitted and will lead to you being blocked or otherwise excluded from editing the article. - Ahunt (talk) 23:01, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Crucially, you still REFUSE to understand the difference. A SINGLE helipad does NOT make a heliport. But you repeatedly fail to understand that crucial, and fundamental issue. You are repeatedly reinserting HELIPAD-ONLY information (without citations) into an article where it clearly does NOT belong! And for the record, of course I accept that a heliport will contain one or more helipads. But that is NOT part of my dispute. Kind regards. 78.32.143.113 (talk) 23:24, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

And for the record Ahunt made the first personal attack. I will kindly like to refresh your memory! 78.32.143.113 (talk) 23:28, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Two points:

1. I have updated the article lede section with the precise definitions from US and Canadian official sources. You will note that the US source precisely says that a helipad is a sub-component of a heliport. Now that the article is starting to be based upon reliable sources I think we can proceed to improve it further.

2. Indicating that you are misinformed when your opinion is in conflict with reliable sources is not a personal attack, however you calling other editors "arrogant" is a personal attack. - Ahunt (talk) 00:04, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]