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Validation

Validation of article performed by WIKICHECK. August:41pm. WikiCheck 17:41, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

What does this statement mean? Also, octopuses 19:23, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Ramsay shoved someone?

No mention of this incident - [1] -which contestant was it? Jooler 17:09, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

  • Didn't see anything on the show about it. There was an issue on the final episode when one of the "contestants" had to go get stitches after cutting himself, but other than that I don't have any information. SpikeJones 21:43, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Apparently, there was something during the next episode's previews that said that Jeff left because of an Injury [[2]] – I myself didn't see the notice. --TheBoompsy 22:39, 14 January 2006 (UTC
  • Perhaps this is a bit speculative, but indeed, at the end of the "next episode preview" of Episode three of Hells Kitchen (season 1) it says, quote, "Jeff Lapoff decided to leave the show due to an injury." Along with this, it is known that one member of the Hells Kitchen contestants did indeed sustain an ankle injury for reasons that are sketchy (see here) apparently the person sued. this is of course never depicted in the show, and we are also never informed during the actual show that Jeff was injured; we are left with the impression that he simply walked out. Could it be that Ramsay injured Jeff and we never saw it? There was a lawsuit.

We have had this show on T.V. over here in New Zealand

Yes,we have had this show on T.V. over here in New Zealand.I like Gordon Ramsay's no-nonsense way of doing things. - (Aidan Work 04:56, 15 November 2005 (UTC))

In Australia, New Zealand, Norway, Finland, Korea, Netherlands, Ireland, Mexico and Brazil, all the profane language is transmitted uncensored

incorrect for nz, c@n someone ch@nge this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.154.163.174 (talk) 07:41, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Contestent last names

I'm trying to track down the contestants' last names, to be incorporated once I have more than a few. So far I have:

  • Gabe
  • Garrett Telle (Working at "Monzi's" [3]; Monzi's chef's name [4]. Also [5])
  • Giacomo Saviano (???- "Saviano's" is the name of his family's restaurant.)
  • Keith Greene
  • Larry
  • Tom (Pauley? So claimed by some anonymous person on Fox discussion board.)
  • Heather West [6]
  • Maribel
  • Polly (information finding hint- she owns a business called "the Food Snob")
  • Rachel Brown [7]
  • Sara
  • Virginia Dalbeck [8]

Can anyone do the same for the first season? Found more first season last names at imdb [9] Crypticfirefly 01:50, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

season 2 rewrite?

Now that the season is over, I wonder if the season 2 episode recaps are written in an encyclopedic tone, as many of the season 1 recaps appear to be. Is there any interest in breaking the episode facts down into some core elements and leaving complete show recaps (including quotes and extraneous stuff) to the show fan sites?

An example:

  • Original airdate: July 10, 2006
  • Team Challenge: The teams were told to taste various high cuisine dishes such as caviar and fondue, not realizing they were made of average ingredients such as hot dogs and spray cheese. Afterwards, the contestants did a taste test while blindfolded. The Red Team won a TV Guide photoshoot, leaving the Blue Team to clean the kitchen.
  • During the service period, the Blue Team managed to get all their entrees out, and the Red Team was chosen as the worst.
  • Nominees for Elimination: Rachel and Maribel. Rachel was eliminated.

Thoughts? SpikeJones 02:57, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Since there have been no opinions *against* this thought, I'll start stripping down the episodes shortly. SpikeJones 16:53, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Heather's restaurant

While the finale showed Heather addressing the staff at the T-Bones restaurant at Red Rocks, in a recent interview (see references section), she stated that she still hasn't taken the position yet, and is uncertain about which restaurant she is working at. She hinted at being employed at the Italian restaurant. --Madchester 16:12, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Move episode list?

Hi, I noticed that the episode list is slowly starting to take up more room in the article, especially when Season 3 ends, and there'll be about 30 episode entries by then.. Is it okay if I move the list to a seperate article? --Illyria05-- 23:04, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Regarding link to mosaic tile site

I'm new at this wiki stuff, but I was trying to add a link to a site that I saw that had a page about the kitchen set on Hell's Kitchen. I thought it would be relevant. I'm not trying to spam. The page linked to is about the show. And the glass tile is really cool. I'll submit to the community's decision, but I really wasn't trying to spam. If the text label needs to be changed, fine. I don't care, I just thought that people who like the show would like that page. 70.91.195.190 22:27, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

People might like it, but it is a commercial site, and therefor not permitted. Please read WP:EL policy about external links. --Edokter (Talk) 00:34, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Censorship in Canada?

Out in Canada, at least with basic cable, we only get the Fox edition. So the section with 'Canada is uncensored' would be incorrect ... to an extent.

The Food Network airs the series, once the series is finished being originally broadcast on Fox, entirely uncensored. Sign your posts. 67.68.42.4 01:23, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
Has anyone ever confirmed this? I watch Food Network religiously and I've never seen a single episode of Hell's Kitchen on it. Furthermore, Food Network is a "non-premium cable channel", and so would never broadcast an uncensored program featuring profanity during its normal programming. --Slordak (talk) 19:26, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
I don't know you mean by completely "uncensored", unless if it's after the watershed(9PM) or a premium channel. At least f-word would be censored if it's before watershed, while sh** can be uncensored.tablo (talk) 01:10, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Restructure

This article needs to be restructured. I had to read about how the show's broadcast and about the profanity used before I even knew what the hell the show was about. The basic premise needs to be in the article lead. 60.242.25.81 (talk) 12:33, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Renaming

I understand that pages names should be short, but the name of the HK pages need to reflect two different disambiguations:

  • There is more than just a TV series that is named "Hell's Kitchen", so the TV show pages need to state that clearly in the name per WP:D; for TV shows, this is normally done by adding "(TV series)" to the end of the title.
  • The standard convention when there are two different TV series by country, then the country abbreviation is added to the front, per WP:TV-NAME.

Thus, while "Hell's Kitchen (U.S.)" is sufficient to make the disambigiouation between other "Hell's Kitchen" uses including the UK version, this is not consistent with other TV shows or guidelines, nor is it helpful to the reader since they need to read into the article further to understand if this is the right topic ("US" what? restaurant? show? movie?), as suggested by WP:NAME. --MASEM 15:32, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Basically, I agree. However, I once got into a spat with another admin, including block threats towards me, for doing the exact same thing. Plus, "series" and "season" should not have been capitalised. So I have reverted for now and cleaned up all dangling redirects, but let's get consensus first before moving them to the proper (UK/U.S. TV series) names. — Edokter • Talk • 15:51, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
"Series" and "season" in the article disamb sections don't have to be capitalized. Can you provide a link to where the admin threatened that before, just to see what the arguments were there? --MASEM 16:12, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
That's what I said... no capitalisation. The argument is here. — Edokter • Talk • 16:20, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

The name needs to indicate this is a TV series, since there are other uses for the term "Hell's Kitchen". No different than The Office and its various franchises (The Office (U.S. TV series), The Office (UK TV series), etc.) The title alone gives no indication if this is a TV series, film, book, or album - the last 3 mediums that have also used the same title. --Madchester (talk) 17:17, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Stupid quote

Ok, I just had to put this up somewhere. Just watching season 1. Ramsay saying (in the last episode) "OK you old ladies, go around the corner and scratch your fannies". You have to be british, like Ramsay, to get it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.47.247.143 (talk) 20:03, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Ramsay

Surely it should be "Ramsay", not "Chef Ramsay" throughout. Chef is not an honorific. 121.44.174.200 (talk) 22:38, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Broadcasting

I removed the following sentence from the Australia portion of the Broadcasting section - it just makes no sense in the context of the paragraph. --Bapaveza (talk) 14:35, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

    • However due to very high ratings of his Nightmares series which currently screens 8:30 pm Tuesdays and Thursdays on the Nine Network, it recommenced 30 April 2008.

DVD Release and Advertisement

The DVD Release section is coming close to violating WP:NOTADVERTISING. On other pages where DVD Release information is recorded there are no "selling" or "talking" points to encourage the reader to purchase the material. (With the exception of Special Features or Bonus Material). See the following page as reference: Seinfeld DVD Releases. --Edwin Larkin (talk) 16:05, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Is the program scripted or staged?

This is supposed to be a 'reality' show, but I find little in it that is realistic. I also note that there are a multitude of directors, producers and scriptwriters all over this programme, which leads me to wonder whether this is for real.

  • This isn't a forum for Q&A. If you have to ask a question about this then obviously there is no reliable reporting about it, therefore it has no business here. Dp76764 (talk) 15:14, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
A simple Google search will turn up a Gordon Ramsay interview where he states this about a previous season: Of course it’s real. There’s nothing played for any form of camera. You see 44 or 42 minutes of the edited version and I run service from 6:00 until 10:00, four hours, and cook for 120 guests. Of course it’s going to look like it’s combustive, tenacious and full of drama, and it is, but there’s no script.. Hope that helps. SpikeJones (talk) 15:47, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Spike - it does. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.25.109.196 (talk) 11:10, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Reality TV requires a large number of people to sort through hours and hours of footage and construct a 42-minute cohesive episode that a viewer can watch and understand. You'd better believe it requires writers to do that properly, and that's it's far too big a job for just a few producers and directors. Unlike scripted television, where you're filming something specific and film it repeatedly and pick the best take, in reality TV you film hours and hours of footage and then try to make something from that footage after the fact. It's a big undertaking. - 69.3.115.44 (talk) 13:31, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Season 4 Prize The article states that the winner of season 4 was the new Sous-Chef at the London West Hollywood. The show specifically states repeatedly that the winner of Season 4 is going to be the Executive Chef of the London West Hollywood. 75.177.87.95 (talk) 13:56, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Is this a talk page or the message board? Angel 216.255.121.150 (talk) 17:00, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Ramsay not in main cast?

I know it may seem obvious to anyone who's ever seen the show, but it still seems odd that Gordon Ramsay is not even briefly mentioned in the main cast section. Something about him should be included and I would do it myself, but I'm not particularly sure how to word it. --132 18:03, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Origin of Show

The first sentence of the article states that the show is American, based upon a UK show of the same name. This is misleading. The show is orignally from the UK (Hell's Kitchen) and is not American.

While the opening sentence may literally be interpretable both ways, it does not lead the reader to be accurately informed of the origin of the show -- despite the clause at the end of the senstence.

It should be written as 'Hell's Kitchen is a UK TV show, more famously known in America...' or somesuch.

Thoughts? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.192.232.223 (talk) 18:52, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

The version of the show this article discusses is American, and is based upon the UK show, which has its own article. That's accurate and shouldn't be confusing to anyone, so I'm not sure what your complaint is. The rewrite you suggest is simply inaccurate. DreamGuy (talk) 16:03, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Mention of 9/11

Just curious as to why this comes up in the intro of the article. Yeah it happens to share a date with this tragedy, but how is that relevant to the article? I think anyone who reads that date knows the significance of it. For now I'm going to remove it. If someone can make a convincing argument as to how it's relevant, then feel free to add it back. 69.204.203.153 (talk) 15:15, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Season 6

The press release for Season 6 is out now, so I've started the page up at Hell's Kitchen (U.S. season 6). I need to head off, but can someone please help me with sources? All the info in the article is based on the press release. Thanks. Hurricane Angel Saki (talk) 00:34, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

S6 Winner

I'm especially interested in the "aftermath". Dave (S6 winner) doesn't seem to appear on the officaily restauraint website. WTF happend there? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.135.49.71 (talk) 22:25, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Prizes

It appears that there are many rumours flying around ye olde interweb that none of the winners ever get the actual prize promised (or if they do only for a short time) - anyone have any details or actual facts on the subject? See, inter alia, http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/607747, 99.240.139.189 (talk) 01:12, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

From what I can tell it looks like most of the winners have declined a prize or have left after a period (1 year seems to be the case). I wouldn't say it was Ramsay or Fox taking the rug out from the winner, but the reluctance of not working directly with Ramsay that causes them to step down Hasteur (talk) 02:02, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Actual Restaurant?

I am unable to find any reference to how the restaurant patrons are selected for the services. Is it an actual restaurant location and are the patrons walk-ins? 68.147.152.169 (talk) 04:55, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Of course not. 'Patrons', as you so kindly put it, are, for the most part, an assorted bunch of hobos, wash-outs, and other generally unemployed and more-or-less perpetually starving people, such as Hollywood star wannabees. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.153.254.33 (talk) 05:17, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

"Top" Cut Contestants Progression section

Perhaps I'm mistaken, but I see no concensus about changing the contestants who make it to the top cut (Black Coat) from "IN" to "WIN". I've been undoing changes that implement this, but I would like to open it to everybody who is familiar with the show rather than watching each season's page. Thoughts? Hasteur (talk) 17:48, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

"Out of process" eliminations and future referencing

Chef Ramsay is allowed to do whatever he wants in terms of eliminations from the show including making the contestants stand on their heads (if he wanted them too). We are a lasting archive of what happened. Personally, I have no problem with backward facing links (occurrences in previous seasons), but forward facing links (Editing Season 5 with an occurrence in Season 8) is not OK. If we want to create an appropriate section on the series page that meets the criteria I would have no problem with that. Hasteur (talk) 14:30, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Major reconstruction of Broadcasting section

I am working on a userspace draft bold revision of the broadcasting section. I will attempt to figure out which season is broadcasting on the channel claiming the current broadcast. Please take a look at the difference. Once I finish my changes, I'll let it sit for 2 weeks, integrate what changes have occured to the main section, and then boldly apply the change to the article. Please take a look and if you have any concerns please talk to me so that we don't get into an edit war as to the prefered methodology. Hasteur (talk) 00:05, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

I've applied all the changes that are currently on the page to my Userspace draft. I've also solicited review from all registered users who have worked on this article back to August. Starting review period Hasteur (talk) 01:24, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Looks good to me! Raj712 (talk) 03:52, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

The edit has been applied. I'm going to begin a RFC for Colors, Footnotes, and Text in the contestant progress section for the series as we have a splattering of different styles. Hasteur (talk) 03:36, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Complaint regarding spoilers

You shouldn't put blatant spoilers all over the front page of this, most people who watch these shows want to be surprised by who wins the seasons. You shouldn't spoiler the winners of every single season in the middle of the page AND the portal multiple times at the bottom. If this was an focused wiki directly on the show and you were discussing the season then yes it might be appropriate to mention the winner, but on the generalized Wikipedia that isn't right. You could have (And probably have at this point) spoiled a lot for fans of the show who like me, just needed to look up a single fact. This needs to be taken down as soon as possible. Updated: And it is even spoiled by looking up the show name in google, Jesus! This needs to be flagged and censored. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.131.129.58 (talk) 02:13, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your input, however WP:SPOILER says
It is not acceptable to delete information from an article because you think it spoils the plot. Such concerns must not interfere with neutral point of view, encyclopedic tone, completeness, or any other element of article quality (for example, Wikipedia:Lead section). When including spoilers, editors should make sure that an encyclopedic purpose is being served. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information—articles on a work of fiction should primarily describe it from a real-world perspective, discussing its reception, impact and significance.
We do not censor, hide, or collapse information on articles because it spoils the plot. The individual seasons are done blow by blow, but the overall show/navigation templates are done with just the winners. The most famous spoiler that wikipedia has is not collapsed after many many discussions on this topic. Feel free to take your case to WT:SPOILER to change the concensus, but for the time being I see no reason to redact the individual season winners from the article or template Hasteur (talk) 03:45, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
Furthermore, insulting the Wikipedia community is not likely to endear us to your viewpoint. Please read WP:CIVIL and consider refactoring your complaint. I have taken the liberty of changing this section's title as it is deliberately inflammatory and offensive. Hasteur (talk) 03:49, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

First of all, in relevancy to your furthermore comment; do not attempt to mislead people into believing that I was talking down to the numerous staff of Wikipedia. The opinion that the article writers are wrong is one thing, insulting is quite another. As emotional as the title was, the point still stands in that I feel that this completely wrong even in your long explanation regarding Wikipedia Spoilers. The huge difference between the example you gave me and the Hell's Kitchen spoiler, is the information is presented in such a way (being Chart form) that easily spoils the content, which is different than stating it in a paragraph. If this information was presented in a separate article (such as Hell's Kitchen - Season Winners) it would be less harming to a fan who wouldn't like the content to be spoiled. The fact that if you choose not to make such an effort for fans and newcomers of the series shows that you wish to openly present the information with the intent of spoiling. The completely takes away from the 'neutral point of view' as previously stated, it just makes the article seem like it was made with a negative intent to spoil and rob the television show of value. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.131.129.58 (talk) 03:53, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

The long and short of it is: If you look up information on a topic don't be surprised to find information on that topic. There is no way to tell what any given reader may or may not think is a spoiler and, as such, we cannot cater to individual needs on this issue. If you don't want to know who won Hell's Kitchen, don't look up Hell's Kitchen. Padillah (talk) 16:33, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

In other words, if you don't want the show ruined for you, don't use the website. Sound advice. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.131.129.58 (talk) 02:12, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Well, the article specifically. I'm sure there's very little about Hell's Kitchen in the other 2,000,000,000 articles on WP. But you get the idea. Padillah (talk) 13:22, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Seasons layout

The changes from the 24. IP address have significantly changed the layout and color of the seasons section. I disagree with the layout and think the previous coloring and layout were perfectly fine and followed the REVERT step of "Bold, Revert, Discuss". IP address restored their interpretation of the layout in violation of the BRD cycle. Please speak up if anybody thinks I'm wrong, but several of the color combinations and moving the dates into the color bar are not easy to read.. I intend to restore the previous version of this section in a few hours unless I see a significant consensus to keep the current style. I will notify the ip address of this page as they were supposed to discuss re-implementing the change after was reverted.Hasteur (talk) 01:36, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Season 9

When does it make sense to add the Wikipedia page for Season 9? It is probably too early now, but is it acceptable to have the page before the season premiere is actually shown? (Say when Fox actually lists the contestants?Naraht (talk) 17:23, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

I previously created the page when the casting call for contestants went out and was smacked down based on the fact that it was way too early. I think once we have a list of contestants or a confirmed end prize or the confirmed staff we can re-create it. Hasteur (talk) 12:03, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Proposal for Archiving

I understand that people like to read the previous discussions, however with 31 main topics and a size 32KB, I am recommending that we allow one of the automated archive bots come in and move absolutely stale threads off into an archive. I recommend those threads that are over 1 year old be archived with a sub-configuration to keep 4 threads here as a minimum for people who are interested in the discussion here. As this can be a very controversial change, please speak up on your thoughts. Hasteur (talk) 21:55, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

It's not normally controversial. Dead threads waste time. I recommend 30 days. Meanwhile, I'll manually archive some of the completely dead time-wasters. Jayjg (talk) 22:13, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
Any objection to 30 days? Speak up now if you object. Jayjg (talk) 03:14, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
I object to anything less than 1 year due to the fact that while the program is not being broadcast, there's very few people posting to the talk, however when the broadcast starts up again, there are quite a few posts. Per the Automated archiving instructions, the previously un-opposed consensus (that took 6 months to build) is that 365 days is a reasonable time frame. Hasteur (talk) 13:16, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
When few people post to talk, the page gets less full; that's normal. Pages don't have to have a certain amount of material on them; on the contrary, it just wastes times when it's irrelevant/dead threads. What Automated archiving instruction are you referring to? And where did the consensus take 6 months to build? Jayjg (talk) 00:57, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
I'm using Help:Archiving a talk page for my reasoning. I waited for so long to implement because it's strongly recommended to get a vocal consensus as opposed to a consensus of silence. Hasteur (talk) 01:32, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
That page only states when you should first start archiving. However, the bots themselves inevitably default to, for example, 5 threads left per page, and I've run into many pages were people set the parameter to 0 - the page is wiped completely clean after two or three months of inaction. Also, things are only controversial when someone has a differing opinion; in the case of this article, your caution did not appear necessary, since no-one else appears to care about it, besides you and me. Anyway, since it's just the two of us, I'm willing to move up - say, 45 days. Meet me partway, what do you say? Jayjg (talk) 05:00, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
That's reasonable, however some threads (Like the Contestand progress one) I've stacked a almost indefintie delay archive on as we get "creative" implementations of the contestant progress table every so often. Hasteur (talk) 11:35, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
OK, I'll make the change. And tell you what, I'll even extend it to 60 days, since I know you preferred a longer time. Jayjg (talk) 02:09, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

What is the prize?

Neither the Lead nor t he Format section indicates what the prize is for each season's winner. Is this not mentioned on the show? If so, can someone add it? I'm a latecomer to this series. Nightscream (talk) 07:50, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

The prize changes every season and as such is mentioned at each individual season's page and partially mentioned in the Aftermath of the season layout. Hasteur (talk) 13:23, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Theme Song

I noticed that in the later seasons, they change the segments of the song they use for the opening credits. I noticed this because I have Seasons 1-3 on DVD and I have been watching Season 9 and while the song is the same, they are using different portions. LReyome254 (talk) 15:11, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

  • As I recall, during seasons 1~3 they didn't have a vocal version of the song, but in S4 and onward they have vocals. They also probably tweak which portions are there to make the intro sequence synch up correctly.Hasteur (talk) 15:23, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

New table chart

I have modified the new table chart and removes features and it does not necessary to place there and it's very large. I have added the runner-ups and other eliminated contestants on the chart. I also feel that should be stayed longer and is not changed. ApprenticeFan work 08:19, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

HDTV Broadcast

Hell's Kitchen is not and has never aired in HD. It airs in 16:9 widescreen. What is the source for having an HD broadcast since Season 3? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.74.8.34 (talk) 23:34, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Jean-Philippe Susilovic Returning For Season 10

This has been confirmed by Gordon Ramsay on his twitter (https://twitter.com/#!/GordonRamsay01/status/105048040959774720), is it possible someone could edit this in, please? 173.237.112.157 (talk) 00:56, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

BoB & BoW

Who thinks that BoB and BoW should be coloring so that they were evident? KIRILL95 (talk) 14:39, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Not me. The above mentioned styling consensus makes the progress tables clean and professional. If people want to find out more about what happened, they should look at the episode summary. Hasteur (talk) 16:04, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

The Contestant Final Words

Ive been really wondering if the final words of the contestant's should be added. Some of the words are very interesting and say much that we didnt know about the contestnant. If they don;t have any words than they will not be added as they do no exsist. The words can also be added for Chef's who got early elimination, left due to illness, or quit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AuroraTerra (talk • contribs) 02:15, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

90% of the contestants don't have really insightful comments so I'm opposed to adding these. To use a parallel example, do we add the final confessional on Survivor: Redemption Island? Hasteur (talk) 02:43, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
You do have a point there. There is a select few who DO have a helpful comment. And I can give examples of them. AuroraTerra (talk) 23:17, 25 June 2012 (EST)
Here is an example. This is Siobhan's, I think its one of the best examples in my opinion. "Im definietly leaving Hell's Kitchen with a lot of confidence, and I'm very proud to at least have gotten this far, it would be nice to run the Savoy Grill, I'll take this experience and learn so much from it, it's priceless, all and all, I stayed professional, I stayed true to myself, and I was brave and fearless the entire time.". AuroraTerra (talk) 22:15, 27 June 2012 (EST)

Preventative Semi Protection Proposal

I'd like to propose a preventative semi protection for all seasons except the current. We've been engaged in keeping a specific color style and layout for the contestant progress sections in addition to the content of the articles. Once a new season starts there are so few valid edits to the previous seasons that it makes sense that we take preventative measures to keep the articles in good quality. Semi-Protection would allow confirmed or auto confirmed editors to continue editing the articles and unconfirmed users or IP addresses would be restricted from making changes, but are free to propose changes at the talk page via {{edit semi-protected}}. This has the upside of having to undo fewer mass changes of the color scheme.

Any thoughts? I'd like to conclude this discusson on the 30th of October and file for the RFPP-Semis on the 31st. Hasteur (talk) 16:52, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

From my experience in watching Survivor and Amazing Races, this happens all the time, in that an editor (well-meaning or otherwise) goes around to change the table format across seasons without consulting, and usually requires a backup to a former version to fix. And from an admin standpoint, I will say that this type of problem is not the exceptional cases where long-term semi-protection is used. If it was clearly repeated vandalism attempts with some regular frequency, that's one thing, but I don't think that's the case here. --MASEM (t) 17:01, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
This is precipitated from the 1~2 time per week of drive by changes that have to be researched and undone where appropriate (90% of the time). Therefore the time invested by volunteers to police the page is worth the inconvienence of the Semi. Hasteur (talk) 17:18, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
If it's happening that often, thats more frequent than on other pages, so there may be reason to do so. But is it by the same persons or not? If it can be narrowed down to a single IP that refuses to cooperate (for example), the IP block may be easier to do than a semi-protect of a range of pages. --MASEM (t) 17:29, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

U.S. Television Ratings

I think there should be a list indicating its U.S. Television Ratings. But I don't know where I can find it... Will anyone do it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Peterxj108 (talk • contribs) 14:47, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Thoughts about Best of the Best/Best of the Worst designations

In my viewpoint these 2 designations should only be used for contestants that Ramsay singles out in the "After Dinner" recap (before deliberations on elimination). Awarding these designations based on chefs going over to the other kitchen to help, remaining in the kitchen after the rest of the team is kicked out, being asked to present the nominations is (IMO) orignal research/synthesis. I've been upholding this viewpoint and would like to seek additional comment about this position. I will take silence to affirm this viewpoint and continue to follow this position. Thanks Hasteur (talk) 17:32, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

I agree completely. All content added to Wikipedia must be veriable, and original research is not permitted. --AussieLegend (talk) 17:41, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
I would even say that cases where Ramsey says "<chef>, go and pick 2 members for elimination" but never calls that chef "Best of the worst" or a near similar praise, that's not a Best of the Worst case. It has to be clear Ramsey's singled out that chef for a superior performance on the losing team. --MASEM (t) 18:00, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Ukrainian hell's kitchen

Already 10th season ended... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.249.172.190 (talk) 15:22, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: moved. DrKiernan (talk) 18:22, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Hell's Kitchen (U.S.) Season 11

I was editing the page for Hell's Kitchen and now somehow the entire page is deleted due to a conflict with another editor. Can someone fix this please? Revan46 02:06, 12 July 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Revan46 (talk • contribs)

– standard disambiguation for TV series. Also "U.S." is ambiguous, since there's a famous neighborhood in the USofA called "Hell's Kitchen", therefore "Hell's Kitchen (U.S.) should redirect to the disambiguation page. 76.65.128.43 (talk) 09:13, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

  • No location you want to move the UK version to is already a redirect to the base name. There's already a disambiguation page to clarify the various names. Not seeing the benefit of moving the names yet again. Hasteur (talk) 13:51, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
    • Comment that a redirect exists is not material to the rename. WP:NC-TV says we should use these disambiguation titles. That a disambiguation page exists does not mean that the US page isn't ambiguous. Indeed, the neighborhood in the US should be the target of anything called "Hell's Kitchen (U.S.)" or the disambiguation page, since the TV show obviously isn't the primary topic, and the neighborhood is the top link on the disambiguation page. -- 76.65.128.43 (talk) 01:11, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
  • Support disambiguation in parentheses as the obvious thing to assist readers-in-search. But U dot S dot, now deprecated by the Chicago Manual of Style, is uncomfortable (and of course, unattractive visually, which is why CMOS reversed its advice) next to UK TV series. Why not US TV series? Tony (talk) 02:36, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
Ooh, are we finally going to try to get rid of this? I've always found the dots unnecessary, and Wikipedia's prescription thereof pedantic. --BDD (talk) 18:44, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
The standard convention is to use "U.S." and a change in that would require a much broader discussion than this move discussion. Absent that, "(U.S. TV series)" should be used here as the disambiguation parenthetical. Rreagan007 (talk) 20:00, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
  • Support per Tony. U dot S is unambigious and "TV series" article is totally applied. The current article will likely redirect to Hell's Kitchen disambiguation page. ApprenticeFan work 05:27, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
  • Support the inclusion of "TV series" in the disambiguation parentheticals. Rreagan007 (talk) 06:16, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
  • Support both moves. In regards to "U.S." vs "US", I dunno if there are other shows that have similar breakouts that we can compare again. ("The OFfice" and "Top Gear" come to mind, both use "U.S." and "UK" but those are only 2 that come to mind). --MASEM (t) 06:40, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
It is common practice to keep the periods for "U.S." but to omit them for "UK". Rreagan007 (talk) 19:57, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
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Season 11 winner denied on taking position as head chef

I should be added on Ja'Nel Witt's winning victory in seasons section, but the note could be added that she had having a failed drug test and lost the position there as head chef in Las Vegas, but here's the Daily Mail web link: Hell's Kitchen winner Ja'Nel Witt loses Las Vegas head chef job after 'failing drug test' (but keeps $250k salary) ApprenticeFan work 13:37, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Contestant Progress Sections

The differences between various seasons of Hell's Kitchen are difficult to keep consistent. In addition there are varying opinions as to the choices for colors, footnotes, and content for the cell. This RFC is for the express purpose of developing a preferred style for the contestant progress section on seasons of the series prior to a refactoring of the content. Hasteur (talk) 03:45, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

My personal opinion is for the following:
  • Footnotes: "Red to Blue" team switch, "Blue to Red" team switch
  • Colors: 4 colors representing Team Nominated, Ramsay nominated, Voluntary removal, Eliminated
I still am unsure as to the best choice for what the text box should read. but am willing to hear good ideas. Hasteur (talk) 03:54, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
I would argue that team switching has little to no impact on the tone of the show. It happens each season and I cannot see the consequence. Also, without a history there is no way to accurately represent the various switches that is any more compact than simply presenting it in the summary. Padillah (talk) 16:38, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

I argue that, since no one has commented on this we make the changes. I am proposing the following:

  • No footnotes. This clutters the grid and makes the reader spend time deciphering the results. That's not summary.
  • 4 colors - Team Nominated, Ramsay nominated, Voluntary removal, Eliminated. The rest calls for reading the legend and deciphering. Not summary style.

This has been in RfC for weeks but since this is a new notification I will let this stand for one more week. If there are no objections I will begin making the changes to the current season and regress backward. Padillah (talk) 18:21, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Only point of contention I see is the Text for the progress sections? I'm thinking "Win","Loose","BoB","BoW","Other". Other being used for cases like being ill and not participating in dinner service or in elimination (ex. Bobby in S5) or other cases where they were not part of the dinner service and not dealt with during elimination. You ok with that? In addition RfCs are supposed to last 30 days before implementing a consensus. Hasteur (talk) 18:35, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
Nope, no problems with the texts you proposed. They are simple and if you can read you don't need to decipher them. And thanks for the elucidation on the RfC timeframe. This is something I've been wanting to clean up for years and now that it seems I can I'm getting impatient. 30 days it is, then. Padillah (talk) 13:36, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
I see all of the seasons' articles added unrelated colors (cornflower blue, white, etc.) and was done by IP editor from Dunedin, Florida. Can someone revert it back due to unconscious edits? ApprenticeFan work 09:18, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
Thank you very much for the help. I try but there are more of "them" than there are of me. Your contribution is very appreciated. Padillah (talk) 12:13, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

The new color for the winner in every season of Hell's Kitchen is now limegreen makes less brighter, as the same as other reality TV series articles. ApprenticeFan work 08:24, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

While I was copyediting Hell's Kitchen (U.S. season 8), I've tweaked the legend for the progress table to list what WIN, LOSE, BoB, etc. mean, and then the eliminations and nominations in a more sensible manner. Please take a look and see if it makes sense to implement across the board. It can also be reworded to say "contestant was eliminated after being nominated". -AngusWOOF (talk) 04:24, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Color keys for contestant progress

I've been trying to reorganize the legend description to go with the Contestant progress but someone keeps reverting this without explanation. Is something wrong with replacing "eliminated by Chef Ramsay" to "eliminated"? Who else would eliminate contestants if they don't eliminate themselves. And why no explanation of "WIN" or "BoB"? I also removed Chef from Chef Ramsay per WP:SURNAME. -AngusWOOF (talk) 21:37, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Old scheme

You can see this in action on Hell's Kitchen (U.S. season 12)

Color key
  Contestant was eliminated
  Contestant was nominated and eliminated by Chef Ramsay
  Contestant was not nominated but was eliminated by Chef Ramsay
  Contestant was on the winning team but was eliminated by Chef Ramsay
  Contestant was eliminated during service
  Contestant voluntarily left the competition
  Contestant was nominated for elimination
  Contestant was nominated for elimination by Chef Ramsay
  Contestant was nominated by their team but not called forward by Chef Ramsay
  The winner of Hell's Kitchen
  The runner-up of Hell's Kitchen

New scheme

You can see this in action on Hell's Kitchen (U.S. season 8)

I don't rally see a problem with what you've been doing. I had a similar problem at America's Next Top Model. --AussieLegend (✉) 08:55, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Spoiler in lead paragraph, not necessary

I am watching season 12, randomly. I wasn't sure what the current season is, so I checked, and the lead paragraph has a spoiler for what I haven't seen yet. I've edited that detail out, unless anyone can make a good case for why it *needs* to be in the article lead. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.119.90.35 (talk) 19:46, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Based on looking at the article history and other reality show pages it seems like the current winner isn't mentioned and as such feel like it doesn't need to be in the lead. --Jnorton7558 (talk) 19:52, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
@75.119.90.35: Please note that removal of content that you consider to be a spoiler is inappropriate per WP:SPOILER. --AussieLegend (✉) 05:41, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Best of the *Best* had meaning?

In Seasons 1-4, if the Blue team beat the Red team and Carol was designated "Best of the Worst" then Carol selected who the Red team put up. This represented a Decision by Ramsey that *meant* something. OTOH, if Jim in the same week was "Best of the Best" did that actually *mean* something in the reward or elsewhere in that episode *or* next?Naraht (talk) 17:05, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Different James Avery...

Just in case it comes up again on this page (or on Season 11). The James Avery who was the father in French Prince of Belair died within the last year, but this is not the Sous Chef on the show.Naraht (talk) 13:14, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Hopefully that clears up why 68.192.22.183 has been changing the blue team sous chefs.[10][11] --AussieLegend (✉) 13:49, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Contestant progress tables

See also: User talk:AussieLegend § Hell's Kitchen Transclusion

Several months ago, AngusWOOF did some work changing colour keys for the "contestant progress" tables in each season article (see the discussion above for more detail), making the keys in each article more consistent and more MOS:ACCESS compliant. However, the keys are being modified and inconsistencies are creeping in. The edits are also not considering requirements of MOS:ACCESS, the most relevant of which is MOS:COLOR, which requires that "color is not the only method used to convey important information. Especially, do not use colored text or background unless its status is also indicated using another method such as an accessible symbol matched to a legend, or footnote labels." There has also been a fairly consistent inclusion of "BoW" and "BoB" which are terms that are not used on-screen and are, for the most part, original research, especially in later seasons. While working on List of Hell's Kitchen episodes, I was approached on my talk page with a suggestion about creating a template that would allow the table key to be transcluded onto each season page. The suggestion had merit, as this ensures consistency between articles and is easy to manage to ensure that non-MOS:COLOR compliant edits an OR does not creep into this table. To this end I have created Template:Hkcpt based on the suggestions given in the discussion, and have tested it at Hell's Kitchen (U.S. season 1) and Hell's Kitchen (U.S. season 2). This is not necessarily a final version. In order to minimise the number of notes used, it may be necessary to make some modifications, balancing the number of footnotes against the size of the colour key. Comments from other editors would be greatly appreciated to this end. --AussieLegend (✉) 11:57, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Just an update to the above, I've continued working on this in my sand box, progressively modifying the tables for each season. As of now, I've completed up to and including season 7, and am about to start on season 8. The modified tables may be seen here. --AussieLegend (✉) 09:34, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for doing this. The tables look a lot cleaner now and the keys should satisfy MOS:ACCESS. The "nominated by Ramsay" footnotes look good where they are as well. -AngusWOOF (talk) 18:02, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
I think the "nominated by Ramsay" footnotes provide more encyclopaedic treatment as well, as it's easier to identify the exact number of chefs nominated by him. We still need to go through the articles and resolve the BoB/BoW issue.

Hell's Kitchen renewed for 15th and 16th seasons.

https://www.facebook.com/notes/hells-kitchen/2-more-seasons-of-hells-kitchen-are-coming/10152666164601478

On December 17th, Hell's Kitchen's official Facebook page announced that Hell's Kitchen was renewed for 15th and 16th seasons. Should that be noted or is it too far in advance?


JCW555 (talk) 00:12, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

All contestants

What exactly is the point of this table? All it does is list contestants without any explanation of why it is doing so. The winners and runner-ups are already listed in the table in the "Seasons" section. All of the contestants are listed in the individual season articles, so what does the table give us that isn't already somewhere else. It seems to be a table added for the sake of adding a table. @HULIANTERRA and Marchusl:, I'd especially like your rationale behind the inclusion of the table. --AussieLegend (✉) 14:33, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Sorry for the wait for an answer. I completely forgot about the fact that the winners and runner-ups were displayed under seasons so I thought that it would have been convenient to have a table that displayed the contestants and see how they placed from each of their seasons (That was the reason I added it in again after it was removed) Though I can see there is some may be some irrelevance having the wWinner and Runner-ups standing there both times both in seasons and all contestants also that the other contestants might not be note worthy engugh. Marchusl (talk) 18:51, 25 December 2014 (CET)

The table is not necessary. The winners and runners-up are already listed along with their prizes in the existing table. Team positions can change within a series. -AngusWOOF (talk) 17:55, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Hell's Kitchen Season 14 Contestants Announced!

https://www.facebook.com/notes/10152801006136478/ JCW555 (talk) 00:29, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

"Reason for winning"

"Reason for winning"...is this column really necessary in the winners' table? It's nothing but trivia and quite frankly borders on original research territory. If no one has any objections, I'm just going to get rid of it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.102.59.57 (talk) 14:16, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

I *think* that at least for the earlier seasons that it comes from a book that was at some level of officialness. The reference is fouled up I think, but ultimately comes from a book by Perkins, Jr., Arthur E. (2011). So not OR for the earlier ones, whether it is Trivia is a different story.Naraht (talk) 14:21, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
In later seasons the reason comes from Ramsay's own on-screen comments, so there should be no OR. --AussieLegend (✉) 14:30, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Season 15 starts on 15 January 2016!

Season 15 starts on 15 January 2016 - as confirmed here; [12] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.197.51.229 (talk) 01:35, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Use of Official Hell's Kitchen Facebook page to verify 18 contestants?

As I understand WP:RS, it does not require that the source be accessible. If Hell's kitchen put out a book that contained that information, as long as it *could* be accessed by someone who owned the book, it would be accepted.Naraht (talk) 21:57, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Are you talking about a book or Facebook? A Facebook post would have to be accessible by the public at some point. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 22:12, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
No, not true. See, for example WP:PAYWALL. As long as someone with the proper login for FB can see the post, then its a potentially valid source even if the public at large can't see it. --MASEM (t) 22:54, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
Right, that would just have a "registration required" tag. It's the stuff that looks more like private messaging and wall posts that get deleted before everything is properly documented and archived where it gets complicated. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 01:15, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

The 18 contestants are listed on Fox's Hell's Kitchen site, so the Facebook posts wouldn't be needed. (http://www.fox.com/hells-kitchen/article/18-aspiring-chefs-battle-in-hells-kitchen) JCW555 (talk) 21:58, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

Cool, we add/replace the facebook one...Naraht (talk) 22:14, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
Well, we need a season 15 article first ;) AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 22:21, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

Run-on sentence in the lead

Hello.. As I'm looking over the first paragraph of this page I find this sentence: "For the first time since season 10, Hell's Kitchen had a 9 ET/8 CT timeslot starting Tuesday, May 26, 2015, due to the revival of the series Are You Smarter than a 5th Grader? taking its spot at 8/7c.[4] Season 15 premiered on January 15, 2016;[5] initially broadcasting Friday nights at 9 p.m. ET/PT, Hell's Kitchen briefly moved to Wednesdays on January 27, 2016, also at 9 p.m. ET/PT, in a swap with Second Chance, a drama that was experiencing poor ratings in its Wednesday time slot" to be a tad redundant, and unnecessary. Why is the shows airing time relevant? Perhaps this information would be relevant somewhere on the wiki page, but I really don't think it belongs in the introduction. Thoughts??? --Eglavina (talk) 00:46, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

It doesn't. The lead is supposed to summarise significant points in the article and the time is not significant enough to include, especially in so much detail. I've removed all but the relevant, significant information,[13] but that was what made up most of the lead, which does an exceptionally poor job of summarising the article. I have tagged the article accordingly.[14] --AussieLegend (✉) 01:02, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

Gordon Ramsay inadvertently confirming season 19?

Hello everyone. On this Facebook video here (https://www.facebook.com/gordonramsay/videos/1460778983945361/), Gordon Ramsay says "nineteen seasons of Hell's Kitchen". Did Gordon inadvertently confirm that confirm season 19 is happening, or is it too loose a source to be put on the wiki? Would love to hear your thoughts. JCW555 (talk) 00:27, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

JCW555 That is too loose of a source. Even if he did mean that a nineteenth season has been filmed, Gordon Ramsay can't confirm that it will actually air. We should wait for a better source. 74thClarkBarHG (talk) 09:37, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

Season 17 - starts airing 29th. of September 2017!

Season 17 has been confirmed as starting to be aired on 29 September 2017. - (119.224.80.18 (talk) 20:06, 22 June 2017 (UTC))

Season 17 (Hell's Kitchen: All Stars) cast released

http://www.broadwayworld.com/bwwtv/article/HELLS-KITCHEN-Debuts-its-First-All-Stars-Edition-Premiering-Friday-829-on-FOX-20170809 JCW555 (talk) 00:16, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Please update to include Season 18 - as it is the upcoming season.

Please update to include Hell's Kitchen (U.S. season 18), as it is the upcoming season - (101.98.104.241 (talk) 10:38, 11 July 2018 (UTC))

I believe in the past, the policy has been to add the date of starting a new season to this article and then to create the article for the new season when Fox announces the competitors.Naraht (talk) 11:05, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Series overview cleanup

Wanted to leave a message here before doing anything... I've been cleaning up some other articles and soon will be cleaning up the MasterChef US articles (see my table cleanup for that here). I was hoping I could do some cleanup here as well, especially the series overview section. Currently, it uses a custom table, but it would probably be a lot better if it used Template:Series overview, a standardized, rather than what is currently there. You can see an example of that in my MasterChef sandbox page, the second table listed there. Even looking at the table currently used on this article, I don't think we really need the winner's prize, as those either can be listed or already are listed on the respective season articles. And the 'Reason for winning' column? Definitely not needed- that would likely be WP:TRIVIA either way.

Please feel free to let me know if changing this/this cleanup would be fine, or voice any objections you may have. I'd be more than happy to help/do this. Thanks. Magitroopa (talk) 08:45, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Production during 2020-2021 pandemic

We should talk about how they did the show during the pandemic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Melvin.Udal.Clarck (talk • contribs) 02:27, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Honestly- don't think there really is much to add on about that. Any sort of COVID info is already in the season articles, at Hell's Kitchen (American season 19)#Production and Hell's Kitchen (American season 20)#Production. And of that information/sources, I don't believe there is a season 21 confirmed or has started filming as of currently, and both season 19 + 20 were filmed prior to the pandemic, so I don't believe there's really much (or anything) to add right now about production during the pandemic. Magitroopa (talk) 03:29, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
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