Talk:Hello Hello (song)

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Language of song[edit]

Since the song title "Hello Hello" could mislead readers into thinking this is an English song, I propose that the following be added:

The tune was composed by Tabo Kōichi with lyrics co-written with Ochi Shiho. The song begins "Harō, yūutsu o fukitobasu kotoba wa, harō, haru ga.." (ハロー 憂鬱を吹き飛ばす言葉は ハロー 春が...) meaning "Hello Spring, the word that blows away the melancholy, has come...".

This is in line with selective/partial use of lyrics for informational purposes as described in WP Song copyright section. In ictu oculi (talk) 19:10, 4 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The songs' title is "ハロー・ハロー", but translated as "Hello Hello". Also, your proposed addition has several inconsistencies with MOS:JAPAN's style guide as well as factual inaccuracies. People born in Japan after January 1, 1868, have their names written in the conventional English order, that is given name followed by surname, so it would be "Kōichi Tamotsu" and "Shiho Ochi". And his name is Kōichi Tabo, not Kōichi Tamotsu. And the "Haru ga..." part is actually a new stanza of the song, rather than its introductory stanza, so providing its meaning in the translation is erroneous.
If I were to rewrite this, even though I disagree with even including it in the first place, it would have to be formatted as

The tune was composed by guitarist Koichi Tabo with lyrics co-written by vocalist Shiho Ochi. The song begins "Harō / Yūutsu o fukitobasu kotoba wa / Harō" (ハロー/憂鬱を吹き飛ばす言葉は/ハロー, "Hello / The word that blows away the gloom is / Hello").

In addition, I don't see this adding of a line of the lyrics of the song to show that it is sung in Japanese is really all that necessary to convey this information to the reader when the band is Japanese, the article states that the band is Japanese, and that the song's title is originally written in Japanese. I do not see this as common practice amongst songs in languages that are not English on this project so I don't see why it is necessary here. In fact, it only really makes sense to point out that a song by a musical artist from outside the Anglosphere is sung in English rather than their native language when you already describe the nationality of the artist.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 19:22, 4 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Obviously I don't have a names dictionary to hand, and such things are easily corrected. And by all means feel free to invert surname. 春が gives context to 言葉は, but as you wish.
On the subject of declaring the language of the song, Japanese bands do however also sing English-titled songs in English or partially in English, in fact I believe Superfly has recorded some English or part-English songs, is that not the case? In ictu oculi (talk) 19:28, 4 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
No, 春が is part of an entirely different line and stanza in the song and comes after a short instrumental break and does not give context to 言葉は. And I'm fairly certain the language of the song is probably in some parent category. Don't see this as an issue on songs in French or Spanish that we discuss on the project.
And songs that have been covered by the band are dealt with by pointing to the covered song's page. And I think the English in these songs otherwise is limited to a single line or words sparsely placed throughout, as is common in Japanese pop. I know "Force" has the word "Force" as part of the chorus as well as the phrase "Give me force!!".—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 19:41, 4 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, my reading of the lyrics is that the context is spring, but whatever. As to my question, I believe Superfly has recorded some English or part-English songs, is that not the case? In ictu oculi (talk) 19:44, 4 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, that got eaten in an edit conflict. Superfly has recorded covers of American and English rock classics, and it is the norm that Japanese pop is peppered with English words and phrases, but Superfly has never recorded an original song entirely in English. Unlike Godiego who recorded their songs with Japanese versions (full of English phrases) or all English versions or Boom Boom Satellites whose catalog is exclusively in English.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 19:48, 4 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. Then there's evidently an issue of how will the reader know what language this song is in? Normally with any article the article should describe the topic of the article. The commercial marketing/sales information is interesting, but ideally in song articles some information about the actual song itself should be included. In ictu oculi (talk) 19:52, 4 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
One of the primary metrics of a song's notability is its success on the charts. There could definitely be more said about this song, but that's why it's a stub that's ready to be expanded.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 19:56, 4 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, and I stand corrected. "i spy i spy" is entirely in English.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 20:00, 4 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Aha. Then given 1 is entirely in Japanese, and 1 entirely in English there is a case for indicating this in the lead paragraph, or infobox, where a field is available. Yes? In ictu oculi (talk) 20:03, 4 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It's more like 1 entirely in English, and 80 mostly in Japanese with the standard level of English thrown in for good J-pop measure. "i spy i spy" is an exception and not the norm.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 20:08, 4 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Okay. Thank you. So to wrap this up (1) do you object to me adding "Japanese-language" to indicate the language of the Japanese language song, and (2) "English-language" to indicate the language of the English language song? And (3) do you object to addition of the information on lyricist and first line of lyrics to this article as you have improved it? In ictu oculi (talk) 02:13, 5 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
This article needs work but adding what language the song is performed in is not high priority.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 02:28, 5 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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