Talk:Hello Master

Hello Master was nominated as a Music good article, but it did not meet the good article criteria at the time (February 28, 2014). There are suggestions on the review page for improving the article. If you can improve it, please do; it may then be renominated.

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So here's how I want to do things[edit]

This article is going to be our model to follow: In Utero. It is a featured article, and I plan to use it as a model the same way I'm trying to follow Nirvana for this band's main page. LazyBastard Guy 11:29, 27 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Singles[edit]

I will be the first to admit that I am utterly and thoroughly confused about the band's singles chronology. However, as I find more sources I will keep adding them, and although I'm not sure this was the first time "I Am the Night" came out as a single, I will add the music-news source that says it was released in April 2007. Until we have something better we'll have to go with it. LazyBastard Guy 12:58, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It has just come to my attention that we'll need this singles business sorted out before we can hope to get it GA. Nobody told me this, I just realized it but what SUCKS so much is that the information's too damn hard to find. I guess we'll just have to take what we've got and hope for the best. Something's got to come around sooner or later, eh? Lazy Bastard Guy 05:21, 14 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Where we @?[edit]

The article seems almost done to me. Really, the only thing left is the "Background and recording" section, which I want to at least double in size (as of this writing). Then I can expand the lead paragraph to include that information as well. As for chart and sales information, there's ironically not much available for Hello Master either (for Prior to the Fire that information just does not seem to exist at all), so I'm not sure how much I can do with that (and I might merge it back into "Release and reception" if it makes more sense). Lazy Bastard Guy 19:53, 21 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's SO CLOSE![edit]

I changed the name of the "Background and recording" section to just "Background" because absolutely nothing has been said about the recording sessions in and of themselves; I know it was recorded at the Boiler Room in NYC with additional help from Werner F. - perhaps I could just source that from the album booklet, I'll see about that - and what I would like to include is the fact that Gus was the Stills' manager at the time, but that leaves the question of how he met up with Priestess and got set to help them record their album. I suppose I'll see what I can do, but in the meantime, this article is practically done unless I find more to add. If/when I can get these minor problems resolved I'll go for a GA review and see where things stand. Cheerio, Lazy Bastard Guy 20:15, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Hello Master/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Вик Ретлхед (talk · contribs) 16:24, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Notes[edit]

the album was initially released on October 18, 2005 — initially indicates that the album's release date was delayed or that the record was reissued

Clarified Lazy Bastard Guy 18:30, 28 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

typical rock n' roll themes such as love, violence and death — violence and death seem more related to heavy metal than rock and roll; do we have a source for this one?
trying to emulate the sounds — I think "intention" would be a better fit than "trying"; sounds should be singular→sound
The album's music is largely the result of the songwriting of Mikey Heppner, lead singer and guitarist. — add "the band's" lead singer and guitarist; "was predominantly written by" instead of "is largely the result of the songwriting of"

Fixed Lazy Bastard Guy 18:30, 28 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

omit the comma after spawning the hit
Ultimate-Guitar.com has been listed as a source to avoid on the Album's project page. I already saw that the review is written by a staff member, but don't think we should risk a possible demotion if someone else reassess the article tomorrow.
the reviews should be listed by alphabetical order
For the Blabbermouth.net references: The title of their articles shouldn't be written with all letters capitalized. Also, lose Blabbermouth from the "title=" parameter and write it in the "publisher" field.

I'm going to rewrite all the references, since recently I've been doing things a little differently. That'll take a bit, though. Lazy Bastard Guy 18:30, 28 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

fix the dead links from the references

Unfortunately there isn't an archived link for me to use, but I have saved a printable copy on my computer and that's what I use. I can remove most of that material if this isn't good enough, but if I do I may withdraw this nomination since it's going to cost a lot of material and I haven't been able to find anything else to use in this article (despite its exposure, fewer sources exist for me to use on this article than Prior to the Fire).

I know there's other concerns, but since some of these will take awhile anyway I'll come back in a little bit. Thanks again for taking the review. Lazy Bastard Guy 18:30, 28 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Don't worry friend, take all the time you need. I'm also busy over some other GA reviews, so I'll be back for additional notes. Take care.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 19:32, 28 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Withdrawal[edit]

Actually, you know what? I’m withdrawing this nomination. The fact is that while I feel confident this is the best article that we can have on this subject for now, Wikipedia will still be here tomorrow and whenever new information and sources on this subject arrive. I have concerns that some of the sources I have used are not suitable, in particular the dead link, and I would really like to fill out the “Background and recording” section way more. Good articles take time to come together and I’ve done all I can here for now from a content standpoint, but it's not enough just yet. This would have been my second good article (of a hopeful 100), and while I do value your feedback and would appreciate whatever other comments you have on it (I will still rewrite the citations, for example), the fact of the matter is that this is simply not eligible for review at this time. Given the nature of the subject and what I know about it, it may never be. I don’t know.

If you could still post whatever feedback you were hoping to post, that would just be awesome, but in the meantime, please close this review as failed.

In the meantime, I’ll just find another few albums to obsess over and write articles for. It would be refreshing to find something totally new to work on, a brand new article to write that hasn't even been started yet. ;) Lazy Bastard Guy 23:00, 28 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I completely understand your decision. I also think that Wikipedians should care more about the actual quality of the article rather than the grade. I believe that at least 20% of the GA albums are not matching the criteria, and support your move to candidate the article when you feel it's ready. I will post the rest of the review sometime this week, in order to know what needs to be improved. Carry on.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 23:12, 28 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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