Talk:Henry Ketchum

A fact from Henry Ketchum appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 13 February 2023 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that railway engineer Henry Ketchum earned the first diploma in civil engineering granted by the University of New Brunswick?

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cielquiparle (talk) 14:12, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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... that railway engineer Henry Ketchum earned the first diploma in civil engineering granted by the University of New Brunswick? Source: "Ketchum was awarded the first diploma in Civil Engineering from the University of New Brunswick in June 1862." "Chronology". University of New Brunswick Archives. 31 March 2004. Retrieved 15 January 2023.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Asparagus (film)
- Comment: Source also links to an image of Ketchum's diploma. For QPQ purposes I have also submitted DYKs as User:PEIsquirrel, but I'm not sure how many in total.

Created by Ivanvector (talk). Self-nominated at 20:52, 17 January 2023 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

Adequate sourcing: - comments
Neutral:
Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: - Not done
Overall: @Ivanvector: Good article. But "That same year, the college released engineering students to gain practical experience working in railway construction during the summer." needs to be cited. What makes Grace's Guide To British Industrial History a reliable source? Also, you do need to do a QPQ based on your DYK check history. Onegreatjoke (talk) 22:42, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Also, there's some minor sentence copyvio claims that earwig seems to display. Can you comment on that? Onegreatjoke (talk) 22:43, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the early review. I'll add an inline citation for the sentence you mentioned - I'm pretty sure it's supported by a citation already used in that paragraph and I'm not in the habit of citing every sentence in an article per WP:OVERKILL, but I'll see what I can do. I reviewed Earwig's results earlier today and did make some adjustments, otherwise I believe it's flagging long proper names like "University of New Brunswick" and "European and North American Railway" which should not count as copyright violations. Do let me know if you find anything more serious by reviewing the comparisons.

Regarding Grace's Guide, I assumed it to be reliable, although since you mentioned it I looked more closely and it does appear to be a wiki, however per their about page, "Anyone can volunteer to contribute information to the project and all such contributions are overseen by the editor-in-chief to ensure the content is as accurate as possible and properly attributed to the original sources." So it operates on wiki infrastructure but seems to have a staff editor review submissions against citations before publication, which I think meets our threshold for reliability. It has one entry I could find in the RSN archives: Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 279#Grace's Guide to British Industrial History, which suggests it is considered reliable, although this was not evidently a thorough review. I would be happy to ask for a review for this subject specifically at RSN.

Note that the QPQ review tool counts one of my entries twice, since the bot seems to have posted the notification on my talk page twice for that entry. But that does bring the total to five by my count. It may take me a day or two to do a review. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 23:34, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

QPQ updated. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 15:26, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Onegreatjoke: checking in on this, as it's been a little over a week since I responded to your comment. I'm going to be away for a couple weeks and would like to address anything outstanding beforehand if possible. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 22:53, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Assuming Grace is reliable Onegreatjoke (talk) 21:27, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]