Talk:Heraean Games

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Citations/Refs[edit]

Hey Jni, the footnotes citing is great. This looks clean and keeps it wikified. Thanks. I'll fill in content for the following ref format:

Last, First (XXXX). "Title" (html). Title of Complete Work. Retrieved Month Day, Year. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |accessdate= and |year= (help)

What to you think? --Deebki 23:05, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

The Web Reference template looks really professional. I don't know what would be the best way to fix the duplication of references, though. Maybe use a separate Notes section for footnotes and let the Notes refer to Reference section? Anyway, keep up with the good work you are doing here. jni 08:45, 22 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Name[edit]

Should this be either the "Heraea", or the "Heraean Games"? Other ancient games/festivals work like that, there is a single noun and an adjective describing "games", Panathenaia/Panathenaic Games for example, or the Dionysia/Dionysian Festival. Adam Bishop 17:22, 24 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Spelling[edit]

Heraia is clearly the more common spelling. How can this article's title be changed to reflect the much more common spelling? Do a Google search: Heraia=13,800; Heraea=1,390 (and almost all of them are hits to this article or copies of it, or to pages mentioning the Greek Arcadian state of Heraea!). The original Greek spelling ends in "aia" (alpha, iota, alpha) as well. -- 15:48, 7 July 2007‎ 76.27.248.175

The spelling "ae" is traditional (reflecting Latin), while "ai" is a more recent transcription (for Greek words in English). It depends on what's most commonly used in English... AnonMoos (talk) 03:15, 5 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Grammar[edit]

The current title of this page "Heraea Games" is also not grammatically correct either, let alone being spelled "wrong." If you attach the word "Games" on, then "Heraia" becomes an adjective, not a noun, and therefore "Heraia" needs to be changed to its adjective form (normally done with the -n or the -ic suffix), so it should be "Heraian Games". So the Heraian Games = Games of Heraia. Atheneaen Games = Games of Athens/Athena. Olympic Games = Games of Olympians. Panathenaian Games = Games of Pan-Athenaia. Russian Games = Games of Russia. -- 15:48, 7 July 2007‎ 76.27.248.175

Content[edit]

Removed the following two sentences: "The Heraea Games were started because the Olympic Games got very popular. Those on record were chariot owners, not drivers." And a third: Ancient Greek women athletes include Cynisca and Belistiche.

The first is either just silly or a defense against claims by at least one historian that Queen Hippodamia founded the Heraean Games before 1000 B.C., predating the Olympics by centuries. Since there's been nothing about that in the article nor the talk page, it's a non-issue.

The second, about 'names on record,' is a reference to Cynisca and Belistiche, the first women recorded as "winning" at the Olympic Games. They lived centuries before the later Rome-era women charioteers discussed in that paragraph, by which time women did drive chariots in competition. Reference #3, "Games for Girls," is the source of this error.

Third, if Cynisca and Belistiche won in the Olympics as chariot owners, then they ought not be named on the page for the Heraean Games as athletes. I cut the last sentence referencing them. ```` — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.4.74.152 (talk) 04:31, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Image of head from Heraeum in Argos[edit]

When I was working on this article recently, I removed an image of a head from the Heraion of Argos. RickyBennison has restored the image, saying that the Head is directly connected to the worship of Hera, who the Heraean games were held in honour of. It is also suggestive of the statues which may have been present in the Heraeum at Olympia. It allows for a greater understanding of the culture which gave rise to the games and within which they were situated.

I am unconvinced. The head may be directly connected to the worship of Hera, but connections are not commutative here: that the head is linked to the worship of Hera, and the Heraean Games are linked to the worship of Hera, does not imply that the head is linked to the Heraean Games. The same logic that justifies the inclusion of this image in the article justifies the inclusion of any image related to Hera or her cult, which is nonsense.

Personally, I favour simply removing the image: it's not as if it's an amazing photograph, and the article is perfectly thoroughly illustrated without it – three images for less than 600 words of text is plenty. If more images are needed, however, one of Hippodamia and Pelops, Hera herself, or even Pausanias would be more relevant to the article. Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 13:45, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

As there has been no further comment on the matter in the past month, I have removed the image once again. Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 19:37, 30 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]