Talk:Heroine's journey

Article Duplication

I certainly welcome the work here! That said, there's now some confusion, as two articles exist on this topic. One is "The Heroine's Journey," and it redirects to "Hero's Journey." The other is this article, "Heroine's Journey," which exists separately here. Depending on how the user searches, one may be redirected to another article or land here. It seems to me it should be one or the other. My initial thought is that material on the heroine's journey should be incorporated into the "Hero's Journey" article, as Campbell's ideas are the main framework for the topic as a whole. That said, I certainly understand that that may strike readers as subordinating the heroine's journey to the hero's journey, thus reinforcing patriarchal structures. I can respect both points of view. My main advocacy is for having only one primary location for the information about the heroine's journey, whether that's in a standalone article, as here, or as part of the "hero's journey" article. Finally, I'm not sure how or when the decision to redirect "The Heroine's Journey" was made. (In passing, I also note that the course wikiedu dashboard links to the redirected article, not this one, so the student and the assignment are not visible on this talk page.) Gcampbel (talk) 13:36, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Peer Review

Over all, this is a really good draft! Below is specific feedback on each of the sections. If anything, you could work on adding more details to the last two sections, but you clearly have done your research.

Overview

The two first sentences do a good job of acting as topic sentences. Remember to link to the hero’s journey article when you publish it.

Could you lead into the direct quote from Murdock? Just having her name and the quote feels a bit abrupt

Over all, the overview is concise and does a good job of opening up the article

Maureen Murdock's Version of the Heroine's Journey

This is similar to the format of the Hero’s Journey article, and I think that works in your favor. Good job keeping the explanation of each stage around the same length, it doesn’t feel too short or drag on!

For the quotes that don’t have Murdock’s name next to them, it’s unclear who they’re from.

Could you give more background before going into the stages? Maybe add an intro?

Victoria Lynn Schmidt's Version of the Heroine's Journey

Again, you could add a quick overview on where this information is coming from.

Criticisms

I think each of the bullet points here could be their own paragraph. You do a good job of keeping a neutral tone, this just needs more detail since it’s interesting and I think readers would like more information.

Is there criticism for Schmidt's version too?

Heroine's Journey in Pop Culture/Literature

Could you get sources for these? Possible break down how they follow the journey?

References

There’s a nice variety of sources here, good job!

BriJRJ (talk) 20:55, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

BriJRJ this is an excellent peer review, and touches on many of the suggestions I had. Blazingstar24 you have done an amazing job with this article so far, and I think following Brianne's suggestions are great next steps. You'll also need to create a lead section, and in addition to expanding the criticisms section, I'd love to see a 'reception' section too - do psychologists use this today? Do people include it in Jungian textbooks? I'm really excited about this page and to see the final product, keep up the awesome work! Gardneca (talk) 06:20, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Bringing in examples of famous heroines?

Hello! I recently edited major Heroines that fit within the Hero's Journey onto that article using Jane Eyre and Psyche. Both paragraphs are well researched and have sources. Could those two big paragraphs be brought over into this article as examples of heroines? I also had an unused paragraph on Inanna-Ishtar who is considered to be the first recorded heroine across cuneiform. I could also list her as one of the major examples of heroines within the Heroine's Journey. I recognize that the Heroine's Journey and Hero's Journey are two different things. My goal on the Hero's journey page was to bring female representation into the article since there was none, despite the pop-culture portion listing Charlotte Bronte! This aside, I would love to help work on this article as I am also a WikiEDU student who works with Mythology pages. Sleepvertical (talk) 01:08, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Peculiar citation for critcal statement

The article's statement in Criticism section "Present-day readers feel that it does not align with modern-day feminism, thus stating that these books are dated.[8]" links to most original book of two it purports to criticize. Unless a foreword or other piece is uncredited, this statement seems unsupported. Statement or opinion should be properly credited or removed? Db919 (talk) 10:33, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

Gail Carriger's Version of the Heroine's Journey

Gail Carriger wrote her version of the Heroine's Journey specifically for writers who want to centre their stories on women. https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/54618699

See her wikipedia entry here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gail_Carriger NRGized (talk) 18:32, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

The Heroine with 1,001 Faces

Maria Tatar scholar and expert in folklore and mythology wrote a book called The Heroine with 1,001 Faces. It came out in 2021 and would be an extremely fruitful source for this entire article. It is a well researched book that examines the heroine's journey! It is the type of work that would help shape up the organization of this page and lay some foundational blocks for difficult concepts. Should anyone have some extra please check it out! Sleepvertical (talk) 16:57, 19 October 2023 (UTC)