Talk:Hidden Armenians

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Before?[edit]

What was the number of Armenians on modern territory of Turkey in, say, 1700? 37.144.53.146 (talk) 17:46, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It's hard to say how many Armenians lived in the Turkey in 1700, but before the Armenian genocide of 1915, according to different estimates, up to 3 million Armenians lived in the Ottoman Empire. --Երևանցի talk 17:27, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Photo[edit]

As long as I know, these children were not Armenian orphans. Because Armenian orphans had been sent to Trabzon. (see: Vahakn N. Dardian, "The Armenian Genocide: an interpretation" in America and the Armenian Genocide of 1915, Cambridge University Pres, p. 78. Takabeg (talk) 05:40, 12 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • These children were picked up by Kazim Karabekir from the Erzurum orphanage according to American general James Harbord. The orphanage, as Harbord notes in his memoirs, was made up of mostly Armenian children whose parents died from the Armenian genocide. Kazim Karabekir eventually used these children against Armenia during the Turkish Invasion of Armenia. And yes, orphans were sent to Trabzon I am sure. Many transfers happened among orphanages during that time (due to congestion and lack of size, food, and water). Please see the list of all Armenian orphans found in Constantinople alone in 1919 (http://www.gomidas.org/NOTES_AND_STUDIES/Orphans/OrphansList1_files/OrphansList1.htm) and witness all the transfers orphanages did. Proudbolsahye (talk) 06:32, 12 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
James Harbord mentioned to Armenian orphanages in Conditions in the Near East. Report of the American military mission to Armenia (1920) but he didn't mention to these children. His other books 40 year march of radio & Our army. The necessity of a well organized and trained infantry at the outbreak of war, and the best means to be adopted by the United States for obtaining such a force are irrelevant to this issue. I couldn't control Leaves from a War Diary. According to the Library of Congress, Boys from the Turkish orphanage at Ezerum waiting for the coming of General Harbord's party at Ezerum, Turkey, Sept. 25, 1919. Do you have any sources to prove that these children were Armenians ? Takabeg (talk) 09:55, 12 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Did you even read the rest of LoC page? It clearly says 'Photograph taken during the American Military Mission to Armenia (1919) led by General James G. Harbord.', 'Caption card tracings: Geogr.; Armenians; Army, U.S.; Children.' --Երևանցի talk 17:53, 12 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Cultural influence[edit]

Louis Carzou, La huitième colline (in Turkish: Sekizinci tepe), 2006. Takabeg (talk) 06:07, 12 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A Dersim Armenian[edit]

Dersim'in kayıp Ermeni kızı, Radikal, 15 May 2012. Takabeg (talk) 04:54, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Who counted?[edit]

There are conflicting numbers. If a president of a Turkish association or a Turkish journalist said "%90 of Yerevan's population is of Turkish origin", would you put it on wikipedia? --13:10, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

What's your problem? The source for the Tunceli statement (which you seem to be referring to ever so obliquely) is provided right there in the article, as it is for all the other numbers. Ask them where they got their numbers from. Wikipedia doesn't endorse the claim, only reports it. Also, the analogy is ridiculous: Unlike the Tunceli claim, which is not altogether implausible (to say the least) from what we know about history, the idea that 90% of Yerevan's population could be of Turkish descent is on the level of alien space bats, i. e., just stark raving mad. May I remind you that there has never been a "Turkish Genocide" at the hand of Armenians, while the opposite is historically well documented (even if Turkish nationalists don't like to hear it). --Florian Blaschke (talk) 02:24, 18 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

http://archive.is/WBi2L cannot be inserted[edit]

http://archive.is/WBi2L works fine but I cannot insert it instead of the wrong link for armradio.info in the article. --Alfred Kl. (talk) 14:30, 16 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Alfred Kl.: There is an RfC at Wikipedia:Archive.is RFC 4 with the proposal "Remove archive.is from the Spam blacklist and permit adding new links (Oppose/Support)".

translate this article into Turkish[edit]

is it possible for someone here to translate this article into the Turkish language. I think it would serve Turkish speakers better since this article is about Turkish speaking hidden Armenians. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arenrules777 (talk • contribs) 21:18, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Fethullah Gulen[edit]

Some resours says that Fethullah Gulen is Hidden Armenians http://asekose.am/ru_RU/news/20/209791-glavniy-vrag-erdogana---fetulla-gulen---armanin-po-nacionalynosti.html and http://asekose.am/ru_RU/news/20/209791-glavniy-vrag-erdogana---fetulla-gulen---armanin-po-nacionalynosti.html --Kaiyr (talk) 10:44, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Leftovers of the sword[edit]

I have never heard this as a signature of any genocide in my life in Turkey. 2 out of 3 sources referring to it are not exact references Turks using it. Third one which Erdoğan uses is not about Armenians or any other ethnic group. He uses it for PKK terrorists referring them, "we are fighting them and the ones still alive are leftovers of our sword". Genocide watch using Erdoğan's speech also stretches it quite a lot to look like there is some genocide will in Turkey. I will give a hint to you that any state will terrorists fighting against its people. This is not genocide but more self defense. I never approved Erdoğan but this is a generalist attack to all Turks.

So this genocide connection is wrong and as a encyclopedia, I would expect Wikipedia to give correct information. 151.250.224.150 (talk) 06:03, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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