Talk:Historic Cherokee settlements/Archive 1

Congratulations

This looks excellent, GenQuest! It's a really good idea to have an overall view of the settlements. Thanks for your work! I came across an interesting article by an historian from the Cherokee Nation that might also be useful for us on this topic. (Now must find it again.)Parkwells (talk) 19:55, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! GenQuest ^"scribble" 23:23, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Suggestion to retitle

Perhaps the article could be retitled as "Historic Cherokee settlements". Although I had just looked at it, when I put in a search, this article did not come up (yes, should have just used my history section.) But this title uses "Cherokee" earlier and might help more people find this very useful article.Parkwells (talk) 19:55, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

• I made the first sentence title in bold consistent with the name of the article. I think the text defines it sufficiently.Parkwells (talk) 23:31, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Question about leading with Overhill towns

Since Kituwa is considered the original settlement of the Cherokee people, wouldn't it be appropriate for the discussion and listing of towns to start with the Middle Towns (including the Valley and Outer towns)? Parkwells (talk) 19:55, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

In addition, as a note to editors, I've just started working on the Kituwa article again, based on content in a 2009 article in American Archeology <https://www.archaeologicalconservancy.org/?wpfb_dl=64>, which shows how the EBCI have used archeological resources to learn more history about the ancient town and to make decisions for this site, and others for which they have review responsibility. Have not done enough yet for thorough review but would appreciate your insight.Parkwells (talk) 19:55, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

I think the list was generated by the order in which the sources lead and then compiled as alphabetically as possible. Many settlement names were used multiple times and various locations. The list reflects the most well known and able to be sourced locations. --ARoseWolf (Talk) 21:26, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

I went ahead and made the adjustment to the prose. I made the list sortable, so I'm not too concerned with positions in the list part. More worried about getting the site locations right, especially with the duplicated named settlements. Thanks to all for the input, esp. ARoseWolf for prior help with separating the dupes in article development. GenQuest ^"scribble" 23:22, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

GenQuest This is all about you and the hard work you put into this article. It's really amazing and I honestly believe it is the most comprehensive list of historic Cherokee settlements anywhere on the web. Thank you for putting in the time and allowing me to assist you with it as much as I did. I am not joking when I say that it probably is one of my highlights and definitely the most pure enjoyment I have had during my time here. --ARoseWolf (Talk) 13:44, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your response, GenQuest, reminding me it is sortable. Making your way through the many spelling variations and dupes was quite a feat! Thank you both! Parkwells (talk) 19:36, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 02:32, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

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• ... that in the beginning of the 18th century, an estimated 2,100 Cherokee people inhabited more than sixteen Cherokee settlements in the southeastern United States? Edgar, Walter (1998). South Carolina: A History. South Carolina: University of South Carolina Press.
  • ALT1:... that in 1755, the government of South Carolina listed the known Cherokee settlements and towns, and grouped them into six "hunting districts? Royce, Charles C. (1887). Old Cherokee Towns from The Cherokee Nation of Indians by C.C. Royce. via Tennessee GenWeb online; Tennessee: Government Printing Office. pp. 142–144. {{cite book}}: |work= ignored (help)</ref>
  • ALT2 ... that in the beginning of the 18th century, an estimated 2,100 Cherokee people inhabited more than sixteen Cherokee settlements in villages east of the Blue Ridge Mountains? Edgar, Walter (1998). South Carolina: A History. South Carolina: University of South Carolina Press.

• Reviewed: I have banked five QPQ, please use this as 1/5 for now.

Created by GenQuest (talk). Self-nominated at 21:03, 14 January 2021 (UTC).

• First hook is more interesting, imo, and that hook is supported in part by offline sources. AGF for no copyvios in offline sources, my spot check didn't find any for the online sources. New enough at the time of nomination. GTG.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 03:02, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

• GenQuest, can you add citations to the "Cherokee Regional Councils of 1794" information and the last sentence of the Peacetime section? It is unclear what the sentence that has "the Cherokee remained a fragmented people, but overall they still controlled" is cited to. SL93 (talk) 01:21, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

• I added ALT2 – a refined version of the already approved ALT0 – and request user 3family6 to please OK; also, addressed concern of user SL93 with better wording in the article. Please ping for questions. Thanks all, GenQuest ^"scribble" 04:03, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

Approving ALT2.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 04:11, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

• The Lead of the article refers to the 2100 Cherokee in villages east of the Blue Ridge Mountains (my bolding) - this is an important addition as there were more Cherokee living in the Overhill Towns.Parkwells (talk) 16:28, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

GenQuest Yay, I am so excited for the article. You did right by nominating it. It's such a huge honor to even be considered for DYK. Again, wonderful work, Gen. <3 <3 --ARoseWolf (Talk) 15:59, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Use definition of town groups with more about rivers?

According to a 2016 article in the Cherokee Phoenix [1], Anita Finger Smith (EBCI), genealogist and historian, has a slightly different definition of the town groupings, especially among the Middle/Valley/Out Towns in Western North Carolina, based on the rivers they bordered. She defined the Valley Towns as those along the upper Hiwassee, Nantahala, and Valley rivers. The Middle Towns were along the upper Little TN River and its tributaries, and included Nikwasi, Watauga (both recently acquired by the EBCI) and others. The Out Towns were along the Oconaluftee and Tuckaseegee rivers, and included Kituwa on the latter. Why don't I try to work this material into this article and see what you think? Parkwells (talk) 19:25, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Go for it, Thanks, P. GenQuest ^"scribble" 01:50, 28 January 2021 (UTC)