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this is helpful but what is the percantage from men to women in the late 1600? , or remove the very long history section in that article. --Ehburrus 01:46, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Demographics of settlers

This story says that "Baptists founded Rhode Island". The article does not really clearly characterize the religious affiliation of the founders. If it's possible to do that for Williams and Hutchinson, or for other groups of immigrants at various times (and for later immigrants, their countries of origin), that would be informative. -- Beland 22:20, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Boundaries

A longer explanation of how the boundaries of the state were established would be informative. In particular, it seems that at some point Bristol County, Rhode Island was transferred from Massachusetts. -- Beland 02:09, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm working on this now. See also History of Massachusetts. -- Beland 17:43, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Population

I suggest replacing the population statistics with one that has the state only. The others, collected, just seem strange to me and don't really "prove" or demonstrate anything IMO.

It could be replaced with the historical one from the Rhode Island article. Or maybe, fork Demographics from there and link to it from here. Student7 (talk) 18:41, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

copied table from RI article and replaced the unusual one. Student7 (talk) 02:17, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

King Philip

Is there any source for the claim that Metacomet was nick-named King Philip by British colonists? The word nick-name implies it wasn't a serious royal title with a Christian given name, whereas British accounts of exploration from the period speak of numerous kings and royals in North America. Why are we to believe this was not a respectful title used by the colonists? If a source can't be provided, I suggest a neutral term be used, something along the lines of "(his British appellation, his native name being Metacomet)". Hypatea (talk) 13:00, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Metacomet was given the name "King Philip" by his colonist teachers, (says Hine & Faragher 2000 p 63) Metacomet adopted the name -- possibly it was more like making fun of him (like giving fancy Roman names to slaves). "Chief" of "Sachem" were more exact and more honorific. see Jill Lepore (1999). The Name of War: King Philip's War and the Origins of American Identity. p. 20. Note that England had a King Philip not long before in 1554-58-- ie Philip II of Spain the Spanish Catholic king who was husband of Queen Mary I ("Bloody Mary")-- and he was greatly hated and vilified. Rjensen (talk) 13:24, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

The Constitution

I recall reading somewhere that RI, as the last holdout for ratification, claimed that it WAS the United States, since it was the only state faithful to the Articles of Confederation, which by its own terms could be amended only by unanimous ratification. If true, it's amusing, but I'm unsure if it would be a useful addition to the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dynzmoar (talk • contribs) 16:33, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Bloodless Revolution

I saw in an article (about a current scandal involving the Speaker of the House) an intriguing mention of a "Bloodless Revolution" (proper name) that "remains one of the most significant power transfers in history". Maybe the author was being a bit hyperbolic, but this article's current content includes only a passing reference to this "Bloodless Revolution" that sounds like a fairly dramatic event that, by implication of its virtual absence, no Wikipedia editors have yet found important enough to fully include or even discuss here on the talk page. Anyone out there willing to write a paragraph or so about this event? (NPOV, of course, and preferably with cited references). ~ Jeff Q (talk) 06:18, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

It's mentioned over at the Theodore F. Green page, too. Can't say I had heard of it and there are zero sources cited on either page about it. I added two, but there's more from each that could be added to develop this. --— Rhododendrites talk |  15:01, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

Colonial relations with Indians section

The section "Colonial relations with Indians" has quite a number of errors and misleading information. Squanto was friends with the Plymouth colonists, not Roger Williams; he died years before Williams even arrived in New England. The Narragansett tribe was not "persuaded" to join the colonists in the Pequot war; the two tribes were already enemies, and the Narragansetts were willing participants. I have corrected these and other mistakes, and I have also changed wordings which were misleading (e.g., referring to the "cities of Rhode Island" during a time when there was no state of Rhode Island, let alone cities; etc.). Preceding unsigned comment added by Dilidor (talk) 11:37, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Contradictions

This article is contradicted by [1], which says that Warwick already existed by 1642, and in that year the four towns of Providence, Warwick, Portsmouth, and Newport were united under a single charter. It would probably be useful to refer to actual history books for a more detailed explanation which can be properly summarized here. -- Beland 17:50, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

The Native American Indian group lived in Rhode Island is the Narragansett.They lived on the west side of Narragansett Bay.They hunted, fished, grew corn,and veggies.(174.55.18.94 (talk) 22:12, 28 January 2010 (UTC))

I have removed the contradiction template, as the material re: Warwick is a copy-paste from the same paragraph on the R.I. page--thus, there is no longer any discrepancy.

Dilidor (talk) 18:10, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Timeline of Rhode Island

Any interest in creating a Timeline of Rhode Island article? A few other U.S. states have timelines (see Category:Timelines of states of the United States). Here are some sources:

-- M2545 (talk) 05:03, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

I'm interested in this, but have never created a new page before. What is the process and protocol? Does one simply start writing and save it as one goes along? Or is the "sandbox" used (itself a notion which escapes my understanding)? Dilidor (talk) 11:02, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Here is a guide: Wikipedia:Your first article. Let me know if you have any questions. -- M2545 (talk) 11:12, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

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Recent edit

I undid the reversion of my edits yesterday because there was no good reason for it. The edit history just says "Over-linking," but I suggest that it is quite absurd to have an article about the History of Rhode Island which does not have a link to the article about the modern state of Rhode Island or to its constitution. Also, the editor did not just remove the links, he removed the entire sentences in which they appeared. Why he objects to people knowing that the state constitution was replaced in 1843 and again in 1987 he did not see fit to explain. However, I think the onus is on editors to justify the removal of pertinent facts, rather than the addition of them. Richard75 (talk) 18:16, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Rather than remove unsourced sentences, it would be better to point out that objection, so that a source can be added, instead of just deleting them. (It was quite obvious that sources are available, since they appear in the article linked to.) Now I have to undo you edit in order to add the sources. I recommend you add {{cite}} tags next time. Richard75 (talk) 18:23, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
I am attempting to reduce the over-linking in the article and to make the remaining links more effective. I did not merely revert your edits; I began going through the entire article to add links that were pertinent. This included a link to the state of RI, but it appears at the beginning of the article rather than buried in a later sub-section. So I agreed with your assessment that some pertinent links were needed; I merely disagreed with the placement.
Under other circumstances, I would have added a "cn" to your unsourced statement, but there were enough other issues that it was simpler just to revert. You have since added a source which resolves the issue altogether. All's well that ends well. —Dilidor (talk) 11:24, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Image issues

For some reason, the portrait of William Ellery is showing up properly for me in preview, but not in the live article (where I see File: wikitext instead of the image). Any clues? -- Beland (talk) 00:52, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

The same thing happened for me. I fear that I have no technical skills for layout issues, and have no idea why that's happening. Hopefully someone who does have those skills can resolve this. —Dilidor (talk) 11:13, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
I was able to "fix" it by removing the wikilink around Ellery's name ... but that causes the next image, John Greenwood, to break. Very odd. -Kzirkel (talk) 14:14, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
I was able to put the link back and it doesn't seem to have broken anything. Perhaps it was a transient issue. -- Beland (talk) 06:16, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
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