Talk:History of the African National Congress

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Saul Msane and H.L. Bud M'belle chronology[edit]

I changed the order of Saul Msane and H.L. Bud M'belle as secretaries general of the ANC (actually it still was the SANNC at that time). Msane died in 1919 and could not have been s.g. after his death. This error is widely reproduced in books that may be used for reference, unfortunately. It seems to have been introduced by Tom Karis and Gwendolyn Carter in connection with their mistaken conflation of Horatio L. Bud M'belle with his uncle Isaiah Bud M'belle, creating a non-existent person "Horatio Isaiah." Isaiah Bud M'belle fell out with more radical SANNC leaders (including Horatio Bud M'belle) in 1919 and left the organization for a time; Karis and Carter seem to have concluded that "Horatio Isaiah" could not therefore have been s.g. from 1919-1923 and reversed that fictitious person with Msane in their accounting, which has been followed mistakenly by others. Chris Lowe (talk) 20:40, 19 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oliver Tambo, president and deputy president simultaneously?[edit]

The article currently says that Oliver Tambo served as president of the ANC from 1967 to 1991 and as deputy president from 1957 to 1985. Wouldn't that mean he was serving as his own second-in-command to himself for 18 years, from 1967 to 1985? Is that an error? --Metropolitan90 (talk) 20:28, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I wondered about the same. Bever (talk) 14:56, 25 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
President Albert Luthuli had a stroke in 1967, at which point Tambo (his deputy) took over in an acting capacity. And incredibly he remained in an acting capacity until he was formally appointed at the 1985 Kabwe conference (see e.g. Stephen Ellis 2012, External Mission). For the purposes of the article, I'm not sure whether that situation should reflect as Tambo being president and deputy president simultaneously? In the ANC's own reporting, it didn't have a deputy president between 1967 and 1991. Jlalbion (talk) 22:21, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lumpenproletariat?[edit]

Any legitimate reference that justifies applying that term to pre-ANC groups? 67.169.120.102 (talk) 00:29, 18 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Things to add[edit]

If anybody is in the mood to expand this article, here are a few things I think it would be nice (and/or crucial!) to include:

Feel free to remove items once done! Jlalbion (talk) 16:48, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

History of the African National Congress[edit]

British 102.182.125.52 (talk) 09:43, 10 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

History of the African National Congress[edit]

British 102.182.125.52 (talk) 09:45, 10 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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