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Vietnamese term[edit]

Isn't the Vietnamese exonym Mẹo, not Mèo? 173.88.246.138 (talk) 22:22, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't know as I only speak a little Vietnamese but it is possible the word for Hmong people is 貓 mèo originally (sino-vietnamese loan) and the same in Chinese and some shift in social structure or something made it taboo to refer to Hmong as 貓 Mèo and they are now referred to as 苗 mẹo or maybe even because the character 苗 represents the hmongs better as rice farmers something to do with the grass/vegetation 艹 in t the field 田 as far as I know the word 苗 means rice field Hĭ uông lìng (talk) 15:55, 28 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

To clarify, 苗 has always been the Chinese exonym for Hmong and other Hmongnic groups, but has also historically included other groups such as the Mienic peoples and maybe even Bai Yue peoples. To wonder why Hmong were given the name 苗 would be a long conversation about speculations and legends that may or may not be true, because the word is so ancient. Take this with a grain of salt, I have talked to many Hmong-ethnic scholars and asked them what does 苗 mean and what does Hmong mean, then ask how do they relate with one another besides being the names for Hmongnic peoples. The general answer I usually get is that 苗 is a language change of Old Chinese speakers hearing what Proto-Hmong-Mien speakers called themselves. I would not say this is a fact, rather just an observation that has yet to be proven true or false. TsimTau (talk) 12:46, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Has 喵 ever been used as an exonym? Hĭ uông lìng (talk) 16:17, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

photos[edit]

From the pictures it would seem that all Hmong people are female.

Racist revision[edit]

I'm not a contributor to Wikipedia normally but I can't help but notice the last edit as being offensive. Someone please take care of it. 2600:1700:6580:1F40:2195:B418:D34D:84F2 (talk) 16:57, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Unsubstantiated reversions[edit]

User:USA50 has reverted changes to reflect the source material multiple times seemingly to POVPUSH.

The relevant section: In China, Hmong are not recognized by their native name, rather they are categorized under the umbrella term "Miao" along with three other indigenous groups of people by the government in 1949. Historically the term Miao carried strong pejorative connotations in China. However the term has since been officially recognized as a category of people which includes the Hmong. In modern times, the Hmong in China are often happy or proud to be known as Miao while most Hmong outside China find it offensive.

Reverted to: In China, Hmong are not recognized by their native name, rather they are categorized under the umbrella term "Miao" along with three other indigenous groups of people by the government in 1949. Miao is considered derogatory by many non-Chinese Hmong, though it is still in common use in China.

The sources do not contradict with the additions but agree with the changes:

Today in China the term has changed its formerly unpleasant-sound meaning, and the Hmong in China are now quite happy, and often proud, to be called "Miao."

— Lee, Tapp, Gary Yia, Nicolas (2010). Culture and Customs of the Hmong. Greenwood. p. 4-5.

References to the Miao, the larger ethnic group to which they belong, can be found in Chinese literature dating from the first century CE. Miao is considered derogatory by many non-Chinese Hmong, though it is still in common use in China

— https://www.hmongamericancenter.org/ufaqs/who-are-the-hmong/

Yet the user has reverted the additions to reflect the sources multiple times now to enforce their version based on selective inclusion. Qiushufang (talk) 06:31, 4 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

User:USA50 has once again reverted with spurious justification, that the version they reverted to is the most neutral and that it is not "basing it off on one single statement." However that is exactly what they have done as the reverted version directly quotes only one source verbatim without quotation marks: Miao is considered derogatory by many non-Chinese Hmong, though it is still in common use in China. Qiushufang (talk) 19:31, 4 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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