Talk:Holland Lop

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Major Revisions April 2019

The following sections will be added to the article: lead, history, behavior, health, and appearance. Since article is almost empty, about 2,000 words will be added in the near future. The original content of the article will be kept and an infobox will also be added. JoshRavi (talk) 02:09, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

June 2009

This article is in need of a lot of work. A lot of the things written here either don't make sense, apply to all rabbits, or are a bizarre mixture of the two categories. First thing I noticed was this:

"As with most rabbit breeds, when feeling jubiliant, the Holland lop might perform a "binky", which features a jump in the air, while flicking its head and feet, accompanied by running around rapidly in circles. This can be observed during outdoor playtimes in a bunny run or open area."

Most rabbit breeds binky? Ah yes, the rare Despondent English Rex breed, distinguished for their droopy ears and for never binkying. Also, binkies can be observed during indoor play as well, so I don't think that last addendum is really necessary. Plus, anything that links rabbits to the outdoors should not be included in an article about domesticated rabbits unless absolutely necessary, as there are enough ignorant people keeping their rabbits in outdoor hutches as it is.

Then after that train wreck, there's this atrocity: it also comes in grey fur xD

"Conversely, when feeling threatened or irritated, the Holland lop may thump its foot on the ground as a signal to other rabbits."

The Holland Lop will thump its feet when feeling scared? Really? That's exclusive to Holland Lops? How the heck did Adriann de Cock breed that behavior into them?

Also, the entire pet care section should be taken out, as none of the suggestions apply exclusively to Holland Lops.

Heck, the entire article should be deleted. There's already a rabbit breed article, which includes Holland Lops. Sure, this allows there to be a lot more pictures of cute little Holland Lops, but do these pictures really add that much? It shouldn't take more than two pictures to display the Holland Lop's "stocky and broad shouldered" body. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.167.93.42 (talk) 15:42, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Response

Sure, you have some good and valid points, despite the unnecessary belligerence. Any input that can contribute to the quality of an article is good input though, so let's go through this attack by attack:

• I'm unsure of what exactly you were trying to get across in your first point in which you mentioned the English Rex breed. Are you saying that all rabbits binky or was the statement that most rabbits binky too vague? If you perhaps used clearer language, the editors you left this message for could better respond to it. I suppose this is the downfall of using aggressive language for your own sake rather than to really be helpful. I do agree however that the final addendum in regards to outdoor play areas should be removed; I will go ahead and do that.
• You have a good point in regards to exclusivity (ie. thumping and pet care). A good solution would be to transfer any information that can be generalized to all rabbits to a broader and more appropriate article (ie. house rabbit, if it isn't already included there), then provide a link in this article's behavior and pet care sections to that one.
• No, I do not think that the entire article should be deleted. There is good information in here regarding the history of the breed that warrants its own article.
• Yes, the pictures are extremely cute. My bunny is the last one.
• Yes, it shouldn't take more than two pictures to showcase body type, but as long as the pictures are available and there is space in the article for it, I don't see any reason why they shouldn't be included. There are far more articles that include far more pictures and are better for it.

Once the above mentioned issues are resolved, this article should be in great shape. Thanks for your input. I encourage you to practice more civility in any future comments you make on Wikipedia or otherwise, however. Orlandkurtenbach (talk) 08:07, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Nope, my point on the binky thing was that all rabbit BREEDS binky. Certain rabbits don't binky, but there is not a particular breed that doesn't binky. I wasn't saying the pictures should be removed from the article, but merely stating my suspicion that that being able to fit more pictures may have been an ulterior motive for creating the article. I believe the history of the breed could easily fit in the rabbit breeds article. Perhaps if there were more Holland Lop exclusive information on this article, it would make more sense, but as it is, it doesn't really work. My unnecessary belligerence is the combined anger of reading many rabbit articles on the web that I don't believe contributes to educating people, or that may give them misleading information. In retrospect, I did go a little overboard, but you try reading up the stuff people say about rabbits online, and not getting a little upset. I still think this article has many flaws, but I'm positive it will be fixed in time.99.167.93.42 (talk) 18:09, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Wondering why you would remove the Three Little Ladies Rabbitry references for this article. That company's site is the site that nearly everyone who raises rabbits for showing refer to for holland lops. Your other referenced sites have far less credibility. The www.threelittleladiesrabbitry.com website has hundreds of pages of information related specifically to the holland lop. You quote from sources with one page quips regarding a breed they know little or nothing about. Your changes reflect poor editing. Outside of the House Rabbit Society website, www.threelittleladiesrabbitry.com receives more traffic than any other rabbit related website on the internet. To me that makes them an authority on the subject. Robandcathie (talk) 11:57, 10 June 2009 (UTC)robandcathie

One, I think it's disgraceful that peple breed certain types of animals, treating tham as objects to be "prettied up" for consumers. Two, I think it's almost worse to show animals, subjecting them to humiliation and unpleasantness for the sake of satisfying one's own ego. Third, the guy's name is de Cock? Seriously? That's hilarious.Evil bacteria (talk) 22:01, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Holland Lops making good children's pets

I agree with almost everything in this article, and find it for the most part well written, however, I disagree strongly with a sentence which says the following: "Holland Lops are popular among new rabbit owners for their 'loppish' ears, but do not make good pets for children." I do not argue with the first statement, but after owning Holland Lops nearly all my life and working with local 4H groups, Libraries, and numerous petting zoos all over my town, I believe Hollands make good pets for children. In my experience, and in the experience of many other professional rabbit breeders I have worked with, Hollands are great, if not better, with children than other breeds. At the very least, saying that all Hollands do not make good pets for children seems a bit harsh. I am not trying to be rude, I simply would like to help improve this article for the sake of many readers who may be considering this breed as a pet. Also, although the rabbit pictures shown are adorable rabbits, perhaps it would be better to have a more perfect specimen of the breed- for instance, a picture of a National ARBA Show winner, or a photo from the ARBA Standards booklet. That way, a reader has a really good idea of what the rabbit should look like, and can tell the difference between a show quality and pet quality animal. These are all just ideas-Thank you for your time and work on this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.230.85.22 (talk) 08:12, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Physical Characteristics

"As with all rabbits, they are indoor pets and should never be kept outside. You will have to take precautions such as covering electrical wires, removing poisonous houseplants and making sure that your rabbit is safe from other household pets."

This doesn't really seem to fit in this category—I'm unsure whether it would be better to create a new section for "Care" or to remove it entirely. I'm leaning toward the latter option, since this doesn't seem specific to the Holland Lop, though I figured I'd see what others thought. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Daliminator (talk • contribs) 20:40, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Keeping rabbits indoors is absolute crap created by pet owners to make breeders look bad. Rabbits are meant to be outdoors and can die of a lack of vitamin D if kept inside. A rabbit running loose in a house will chew anything it comes across, and if that object is an electrical wire you better to be ready to buy a new rabbit, a new house, or both. White Arabian mare (talk) 02:04, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

History section needs cleanup

It seems like the history section was written entirely from just one source. Additional sources need to be added. I'm also wondering if it wasn't just copied from the book word for word, as that would be a copyright violation. Any confirmation on the matter would be appreciated. Axelfar (talk) 06:04, 20 September 2013 (UTC)