Talk:Holy fuck

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Earliest use[edit]

If anyone has a full edition of theOED or other reliable source at hand, could they please give us the earliest usage or better literary examples?

Thanks. --Lucyintheskywithdada (talk) 05:22, 21 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Merger proposal (2008)[edit]

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I suggest this article be merged with Fuck as there is significant overlap and Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Placing this article within the context of the Fuck article should help readers understand it better. Strobilus (talk) 17:17, 21 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per Strobilus. - ✰ALLSTAR✰ ^echo 17:55, 21 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Merge. But get rid of the dubious remark about "Holy fuck" having some kind of kinky religious connotations. Silly rabbit (talk) 17:57, 21 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

User:Anthony Appleyard has merged the content of this article into a new section of the Fuck article so I'm tagging this one for deletion. Strobilus (talk) 22:03, 21 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 5 December 2015[edit]

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The result of the move request was: moved. There is a clear consensus that Fuck#Holy fuck is the primary topic for this term. No consensus on whether the band should be renamed, that will require a separate discussion if desired. Jenks24 (talk) 12:51, 14 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Holy fuck → Holy fuck (disambiguation) – term has a primary topic – Snuggums (talk / edits) 07:35, 5 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 09:45, 5 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@SNUGGUMS: Is case of letter enough difference between "Holy fuck" (the expression) and "Holy Fuck" (the music band)? Anthony Appleyard (talk) 09:45, 5 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yes there is per WP:DIFFCAPS Snuggums (talk / edits) 14:40, 5 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose and move the band back to Holy Fuck (band) per 12 August 2010 User:Player-23 moved page Holy Fuck to Holy Fuck (electronica band) 19 February 2008 User:Lucyintheskywithdada moved page Holy Fuck to Holy Fuck (band) (adopted standard naming convention) In ictu oculi (talk) 10:56, 5 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Unclear proposal. Holy fuck (the term) does not have an article. Are we suggestng that Holy fuck be a redirect to Fuck#Holy fuck? PC78 (talk) 12:53, 5 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I was suggesting a page move since the band Holy Fuck is the current primary topic of terms listed, therefore this page should end with "(disambiguation)". Snuggums (talk / edits) 14:39, 5 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That doesn't answer my question though: what happens to the page title Holy fuck following a move? But the band doesn't have to be listed as the main topic on the dab page, you can just edit the page to show otherwise and not move anything... PC78 (talk) 14:58, 5 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

After this becomes "Holy fuck (disambiguation)", "Holy fuck" will retarget to Fuck#Holy fuck. Snuggums (talk / edits) 15:57, 5 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

In that case, support moving the dab page and redirecting to Fuck#Holy fuck. But oppose suggestions above by In ictu oculi about moving the band article, which are contrary to WP:DIFFCAPS. PC78 (talk) 13:45, 6 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support – the expression discussed at Fuck#Holy fuck seems like the primary topic for the phrase, so Holy fuck should be a WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT to it. —BarrelProof (talk) 22:18, 5 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose nominator's band suggestion Oppose SNUGGUMS' suggestion that the band is the primary topic, since it clearly is not. The other suggestion, that the expression is the primary topic, is likely valid. And the capitalized form is frequently used for the expression, so the band should not be undisambiguated, as it isn't the primary topic for the capitalized form either. -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 05:33, 6 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- So I think that means you support the proposed move, is that right? You think that there is a WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for "Holy fuck" (which is the expression), so the current dab page with that name should move to Holy fuck (disambiguation), is that right? —BarrelProof (talk) 06:09, 6 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  - Yes, move the page, but not the redirection to the band -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 05:52, 7 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support redirecting to Fuck#Holy fuck as primary topic, leaving dab page at Holy fuck (disambiguation) (but adding the "Redirect" hatnote to that section, not the top of the page, so that it can easily be seen by redirected readers). Oppose redirecting to Holy Fuck band, which I think is what the proposer intends. (ANd agree that the band should probably be at Holy Fuck (band), the term being the primary topic for the capitalised version too). PamD 10:19, 6 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: as the proposal was ambiguous this discussion is probably invalid and should be re-started with a clear statement as to the whole proposal. Editors seem to agree "term has a primary topic" but disagree what that topic is. PamD 10:19, 6 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for an unclear initial proposal (I admittedly wasn't planning for this to go to RM), but "Holy fuck" (phrase) is primary topic overall, and "Holy Fuck" (band) is primary topic for capitalized terms. The capitalization is enough of a difference per WP:DIFFCAPS for neither to need parentheticals. As an example, there is Ice cube and Ice Cube. Snuggums (talk / edits) 16:58, 6 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Fuck#Holy fuck . Clear primary topic. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:02, 9 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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